LDM V's CandyShopMansion

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by the article

08 JUL 2016
Statement from Lucas Dumbrell Motorsport re Free Choice Vending Australia Sponsorship

Lucas Dumbrell Motorsport wishes to clarify the situation in relation to an agreement between the team and tobacco retailer, Free Choice Vending Australia (FCVA).

Media reports to the effect that the Court ordered FCVA and/or Travers Beynon be paid back $250,000 are incorrect. No such order was made. This money continues to be held by LDM.

LDM’s participation in this weekend’s Castrol EDGE Townsville 400 has never been in doubt and it is competing with drivers Nick Percat and Andre Heimgartner as planned.

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Gets stranger & stranger...

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by ForumNick

Didn't it happen @ Bathurst, when Denyer had to remove program/network branding as it clashed with the broadcaster?

Yeah Ten & relevant TV show branding had to come off the car.

Kinda flies in the face of anti-competition laws surely?

[peckstar]

Im not claiming to fully understand the tobacco advertising rules of QLD

however this article seems to suggest to me that Free Choice is not able to be advertised ona v8 supercar

Tobacco retail boss sets up Playboy-style mansion and throws decadent parties — all to promote business

[racer69]

Originally Posted by one five five

Has happened for years in NASCAR, cost some teams sponsors when Nextel took over in 2004 which forbid competing companies from signing new deals backing cars (eg.. Childress weren't allowed to renew their sponsorship with Cingular after the deal ended)

It didn't happen in Australia thankfully when Shell backed the ATCC and SCS.

It has worked the other way though, in the early 70s Marlboro title-sponsored the USAC Championship Trail, but withdrew their backing because USAC didn't block rival tobacco brand Viceroy from sponsoring the Vel's Parnelli Jones team

I like the non-NASCAR way though, like we had with Shell for example backing the ATCC with Castrol, Mobil, Caltex etc.. sponsored teams.

Originally Posted by one five five

however this article seems to suggest to me that Free Choice is not able to be advertised ona v8 supercar

If 'Freechoices' branding does break the law, then no problem with it being blocked

My point originally was just to clarify if 'Freechoices' branding was illegal or whether the series just didn't like that sponsorship. Sponsorships should only be blocked if they are illegal by law.

[Jack65]

Originally Posted by ForumNick

Didn't it happen @ Bathurst, when Denyer had to remove program/network branding as it clashed with the broadcaster?

Kevin Bartlett's Camaro was sponsored by Channel 9 in the early 80s, and it was referred to as such during the Channel 7 Bathurst broadcasts.

[racer69]

Originally Posted by Jack65

Kevin Bartlett's Camaro was sponsored by Channel 9 in the early 80s, and it was referred to as such during the Channel 7 Bathurst broadcasts.

In the 1981 Bathurst broadcast Ch7 even comment on how great it was to see all the commercial networks sponsoring cars in the race (Ch7 sponsoring Bob Morris, Channel 9 Bartlett and Channel 10 backing John Goss)

[Gaz170]

LDM seem to have picked up a replacement. Wonder what happened there?
http://www.foxsports.com.au/motorspo...8b27b98b4c4703

[Umai Naa]

More here: http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/07/10/...ith-pneumonia/

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by one five five

So Supercars should be able to pick and choose who is allowed to sponsor cars in the series?...Sets a dangerous precedent too, what happens of Qantas or Tiger want to sponsor a team, would that be blocked because Virgin Australia backs the series?

If it means they will be breaching their contracts if they don't, then yes they should be able to pick and choose. All depends on the contracts, if Virgin put a clause in saying "here is a lot of sponsorship money, however no other airline shall take part" and that sponsorship money is a lot more than QANTAS or Tiger have been contributing, why shouldn't V8SC tell the teams they can't be sponsored by a Virgin rival?

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

More here: http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/07/10/...ith-pneumonia/

So that article has Wayne Russell actively trying to place the sponsorship with LDM at least for the weekend. If the relationship is that strong, why on earth would Plus Fitness be demanding Novacastrian remove the stickers Mr Phelps?

Novacastrian car to be run by a 3 car LDM next round? Mr Russell Jnr to replace Heimgartner?

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

If it means they will be breaching their contracts if they don't, then yes they should be able to pick and choose. All depends on the contracts, if Virgin put a clause in saying "here is a lot of sponsorship money, however no other airline shall take part" and that sponsorship money is a lot more than QANTAS or Tiger have been contributing, why shouldn't V8SC tell the teams they can't be sponsored by a Virgin rival?

It would be a ridiculous clause to agree to in the first place

We are not swimming in sponsorship $$$ in the current economic climate, yet you are advocating the series banking a cheque over a competitor who may have found a sponsor willing to pump in $$ to get their car onto the grid?

[Langers]

Originally Posted by one five five

It would be a ridiculous clause to agree to in the first place

We are not swimming in sponsorship $$$ in the current economic climate, yet you are advocating the series banking a cheque over a competitor who may have found a sponsor willing to pump in $$ to get their car onto the grid?

Present opportunity with conditions (Virgin) vs. undefinable probability of future involvement from another company in the same industry? I'd probably take the current cash with conditions, bearing in mind the benefit goes directly to V8SC corporate coffers.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by one five five

It would be a ridiculous clause to agree to in the first place

We are not swimming in sponsorship $$$ in the current economic climate, yet you are advocating the series banking a cheque over a competitor who may have found a sponsor willing to pump in $$ to get their car onto the grid?

Originally Posted by Langers

Present opportunity with conditions (Virgin) vs. undefinable probability of future involvement from another company in the same industry? I'd probably take the current cash with conditions, bearing in mind the benefit goes directly to V8SC corporate coffers.

Depends on the deal doesn't it? For example, IF the Virgin deal was based on exclusivity and that resulted in a higher annual payment plus better travel deals for teams, the teams benefit from both their share of the overall revenue in their shareholder payments from VASC plus lower travel costs.

Travel costs can be a large proportional cost in team budgets so reducing or removing some of those costs may well be of greater benefit to teams than any potential other airline sponsorship that individual teams could negotiate.

There are also examples of series sponsors taking up individual team sponsorships and sometimes an exclusive series sponsor can provide additional revenue to some of the teams that way too.

As always with commercial arrangements, there is no "one size fits all" arrangement and it would be a mistake to oversimplify what can sometimes be quite complex arrangements.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

If it means they will be breaching their contracts if they don't, then yes they should be able to pick and choose. All depends on the contracts, if Virgin put a clause in saying "here is a lot of sponsorship money, however no other airline shall take part" and that sponsorship money is a lot more than QANTAS or Tiger have been contributing, why shouldn't V8SC tell the teams they can't be sponsored by a Virgin rival?

It is not ideal but provided this is done up front and is known (not post and reactive) than to me it is fine and part of many marketing plans across sports.

I hope those who criticised and bagged Channel 7 over the Denyer/Channel 10 scenario at Bathurst a couple of years ago aren't now jumping on the sponsor exclusivity bandwagon though.

[GTRMagic]

Its not over yet...

The Candyman Can... launch a damages case...

Sounds like Mr Beynon isn't satisfied with just getting his money back, and that a damages case will ensue...

Originally Posted by The Article

Our perhaps most flamboyant and controversial client, the Gold Coast’s own Candyman, tobacco franchising supremo Mr Travers Beynon, had a win this week in the Supreme Court when Justice James Douglas froze $250,000 in sponsorship funds paid by his company Freechoice Australia to the Lucas Dumbrell V8 racing team, ahead of this weekend’s Townsville 400. As well, Justice Douglas ordered the Dumbrell team to remove the Candyman’s decals from its cars and account for all of their assets ahead of a major damages action launched by Freechoice, to be heard later this year.

[mayhem]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Its not over yet...

The Candyman Can... launch a damages case...

Sounds like Mr Beynon isn't satisfied with just getting his money back, and that a damages case will ensue...

[Langers]

I'm yet to see anything that would suggest this person and his antics would have been anything other than a blight on V8SC.

As to that photo on his Lawyer's page, if you can't afford a Phantom then don't bother getting a Rolls. You just look poor in your Ghost, which is a glorified 7 series.

[F J Nedos]

Originally Posted by Jack65

Kevin Bartlett's Camaro was sponsored by Channel 9 in the early 80s, and it was referred to as such during the Channel 7 Bathurst broadcasts.

I think at one point he had sponsorship from channel 6 too

[old fart]

Originally Posted by F J Nedos

I think at one point he had sponsorship from channel 6 too

That was for the benefit of those watching the telecast in the Northern Hemisphere !

[GTRMagic]

LDM Here To Stay

[F J Nedos]

Originally Posted by old fart

That was for the benefit of those watching the telecast in the Northern Hemisphere !

If there was a like button on this forum, the above post would have caused a click of it

[GTRMagic]

Candyman Goes Racing

[Sandgroper]

THIS story sounds very similar to a previous Mining/Horse Racing Magnates Car racing involvement............well to me and Nathan it does

[Kingair]

Motorsport does throw a few curveballs, but I can't see RD signing him up to replace Jamie!

[Sultan]

Any one know why he was excluded from the race??

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Sultan

Any one know why he was excluded from the race??

It didn't make it to any race reports around the place..

Mr Beynon seems quite quick in that Audi, maybe not front of grid quick, but for a first (?) race meeting (at least in this car) it wasn't a bad effort!

Perhaps David Thexton will have a spiritual brother racing in the main game soon?