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Old 21 Oct 2016, 00:02 (Ref:3681684)   #26
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What issue is the kerb strike penalty trying to solve? Was cutting chicanes such a big issue that it was influencing race results that yet another rule was required?

Of course drivers will be free to exceed track limits on other corners such as turn 7 in Adelaide without fear of penalty.
Personally, I think they haven't found the balance between 'race' and 'show' that they're looking for.

I would think that larger, immovable tyre stacks close to the apex would be the go, but it would interfere with those glorious slo-mo clips of cars bouncing over the massive curbs, panels wobbling all over the place, that might make the 6pm news.
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Old 21 Oct 2016, 00:30 (Ref:3681686)   #27
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Just make the insides of the chicanes grass and gravel like they used to?
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Old 21 Oct 2016, 05:56 (Ref:3681720)   #28
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If you have to use "strikes" or sensors to judge whether a corner or chicane has been cut too much, surely the best solution is to fix the corner so it can't be cut or it is slower to cut it??

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Just make the insides of the chicanes grass and gravel like they used to?
I agree with that, except then people will complain about the gravel getting dragged onto the track..

The chicanes used to be much tighter as well, particularly the first one, that would probably help curb the kerb hopping a little too..... but as said above, you would lose the imagery of the two-wheeling, even though the racing itself would be better and less controversial.... (they should fix up the first chicane at Adelaide while they are at it)
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Old 21 Oct 2016, 12:17 (Ref:3681760)   #29
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Tander says the kerbs are lowered. Raise them up make them car breakers, they will stay off them then.
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Old 21 Oct 2016, 12:58 (Ref:3681763)   #30
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IMO, there's not a better visual in all of motorsport than the super slo-mo of the Supercars two-wheeling it over the chicanes.
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Old 21 Oct 2016, 21:18 (Ref:3681817)   #31
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Tander says the kerbs are lowered. Raise them up make them car breakers, they will stay off them then.
But it breaks cars. Is that what we want?

We must remember that the purpose of the Kerbs is to slow people down on long straights (New turns and awesome footage of cars is a bonus side effect
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Old 22 Oct 2016, 00:30 (Ref:3681833)   #32
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Just noticing that Erebus are pushing Loco Energy drinks online

Do they have a new sponsor this weekend?
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Old 22 Oct 2016, 02:15 (Ref:3681836)   #33
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But it breaks cars. Is that what we want?

We must remember that the purpose of the Kerbs is to slow people down on long straights (New turns and awesome footage of cars is a bonus side effect
The corners serve the purpose of slowing cars down along long straights.

The kerbs serve the purpose of defining the inner or outer limits of the corners and in some circumstances protecting the edge of the asphalt from breaking up and or dragging dirt, grass, etc onto the track should drivers exceed the outer or inner limits of the corners.
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Old 22 Oct 2016, 02:39 (Ref:3681837)   #34
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The corners serve the purpose of slowing cars down along long straights.

The kerbs serve the purpose of defining the inner or outer limits of the corners and in some circumstances protecting the edge of the asphalt from breaking up and or dragging dirt, grass, etc onto the track should drivers exceed the outer or inner limits of the corners.
But in the case of what we are talking about there are no corners, just a straight. they add kerbs to create corners (or in this case chicanes)
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Old 22 Oct 2016, 04:44 (Ref:3681839)   #35
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But in the case of what we are talking about there are no corners, just a straight. they add kerbs to create corners (or in this case chicanes)
True, but painted lines could serve the same purpose. As often used to separate cars exiting pit lane and those on the racing line.
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Old 22 Oct 2016, 05:20 (Ref:3681844)   #36
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I dont get pro drive strategists.

They make a good move with starting Frosty in the car, pays off with the perfectly timed safety car. Then they bring Canto in early and put in him in the mid pack with the full timers.

Meanwhile they dont bring either 55 or 111 in and put the full timers in and so they are stuck behind each other meaning a double stack if they get the get the next SC

meanwhile its triple 8s to lose
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Old 22 Oct 2016, 05:57 (Ref:3681845)   #37
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I dont get pro drive strategists.

They make a good move with starting Frosty in the car, pays off with the perfectly timed safety car. Then they bring Canto in early and put in him in the mid pack with the full timers.

Meanwhile they dont bring either 55 or 111 in and put the full timers in and so they are stuck behind each other meaning a double stack if they get the get the next SC

meanwhile its triple 8s to lose
The prodrive cars are slow on long runs.. their strategy options seem limited because of that..

Had the safety car for Mr Reindker not come out, it might have worked for #1

Reliability & driver issues in that squad too..
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Old 22 Oct 2016, 06:15 (Ref:3681847)   #38
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big hit for fabs.

got that going quick, very suprised, but we seem to accept more risk with two laps too go

Top drive SVG, seems to have a handle on the GC

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Old 22 Oct 2016, 06:16 (Ref:3681848)   #39
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Old 22 Oct 2016, 06:19 (Ref:3681850)   #40
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What a disgrace Tander, that about sums up your career, he'll be remembered for PI 06 and this, disgusting racing from a so called pro driver.
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Old 22 Oct 2016, 06:20 (Ref:3681851)   #41
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Wow really, Tander gets a penalty for that? I thought Fabs was at least as much at fault, firstly for weaving from side to side and ultimately trying to close the door when Garth was already there. Racing incident for mine...
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Old 22 Oct 2016, 06:34 (Ref:3681852)   #42
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Wow really, Tander gets a penalty for that? I thought Fabs was at least as much at fault, firstly for weaving from side to side and ultimately trying to close the door when Garth was already there. Racing incident for mine...
I think maybe you need to check the overhead to confirm who was weaving

and dont forget the tap in the accelaration zone from GT
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Old 22 Oct 2016, 06:56 (Ref:3681854)   #43
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100% Tander's fault for mine, although I haven't seen an in-car shot of Coulthard at the point of impact (Ch10 cut to a rear onboard shot that tells nothing), Tander clearly gives a definite right hand down before the impact that I presume was another weave. The overhead shot shows Coulthard moving gradually to the left compared to the linemarking, which the commentary team identified as the normal racing line, but also a jink right from Tander.

Another point is you wouldn't get such a violent reaction from a slight squeeze.
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Old 22 Oct 2016, 06:58 (Ref:3681855)   #44
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I think maybe you need to check the overhead to confirm who was weaving

and dont forget the tap in the accelaration zone from GT
The weaving was going on before the incident which is irrelevant and the tap in the acceleration zone happened even well before that, so that's also irrelevant.
Not sure why they just wouldn't have looked at it post race.
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Old 22 Oct 2016, 07:06 (Ref:3681856)   #45
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Perhaps this week's court proceedings may have influenced their decision to make an 'in race' penalty!
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The weaving was going on before the incident which is irrelevant and the tap in the acceleration zone happened even well before that, so that's also irrelevant.
Agreed.

It appears that Mr Coulthard didn't get great drive out of the previous corner, that Mr Tander was into his rear bumper because of it. Mr Tandercwent right, Mr Coulthard moved slightly right & blocked the move. Mr Tander went left. Mr Coulthard drifted slightly more left, perhaps not knowing that there was an overlap with #2. The drift left continued, Mr Coulthard wiped #12's bum on #2's nose, and eating concrete is the result.

Not a great call from Race Control reenalties I don't think.

Nor a great comment from Mr Keed on the radio to Mr Coulthard about the pilot of #2 either

Looking from all those teev shots, #12 HAS to be bent... rails, cage, rear..
Probably going under the dust sheet for the weekend
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Slow car holding up a faster car for too long, never ends well. NEWS FLASH when you are slow and have no car left STOP FIGHTING!!!!!
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Old 22 Oct 2016, 07:47 (Ref:3681864)   #49
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Slow car holding up a faster car for too long, never ends well. NEWS FLASH when you are slow and have no car left STOP FIGHTING!!!!!
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