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Nothing wrong with that move. Maybe a little cheeky, but that's about it. Nobody was forcing Barrichello to keep his foot in it.
Webber has been making much more dangerous moves for years now and he doesn't seem to get much attention for it. |
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Maybe Rubens, who was along side Schumacher, should have stuck to his line then (there would have been nothing wrong with that either) - would Schui have avoided contact? Probably not and we would all be talking about something quite different now....
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Rewind a few seconds back from the point at which Rubens was alongside MS. It's obvious to me that the gap he was going for was going to close. Schumacher was gradually moving towards the right hand side of the circuit as Rubens came up behind him.
Rubens was driving into a gap which was always going to disappear given the course of the car he was following and who was driving it. He always had the option of not even going for space which was getting smaller by the metre.. |
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..thus, I say racing incident.
I admit, if something like that had happened to me I'd be annoyed by it and probably have a fairly heated discussion with the driver of the other car. However, that is part of racing and deciding whether to go for a gap taking in to account all the factors you can at that particular time is what makes a racing driver and is what makes racing and overtaking a risk. |
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He should retire now.
He should have got a 1 race ban for what he did. Barrichello is a far better person than me, because if I was a racing driver and someone had pulled that stunt on me I would have Schumacher out of his car and beat the life out of him. |
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'cos I didn't mention this year only either - someone else did....
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Let's put it this way - I'm with johntt. If you did it to me in a race, I wouldn't be as controlled as Rubens. I doubt the MSA would be as controlled as the FIA stewards have been either. Neither can be described as a 'normal racing incident' with any sincerity.
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Should have at least a one race ban.
Not the first time this year, done it many times before in the past, he is a cheat who drove into two people to win the world championship (got away with it once) |
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It seems that I'm really going against the grain with my opinion here. I'll have to watch the highlights of the race on the BEEB when they're playing later on tonight. I'm basing all of the comments I've made here on a 20 second clip of the incident from a couple of camera angles, that's all I've seen of today's race.
From what I've seen I can appreciate that it wasn't a nice move from MS, but I didn't see anything that deserved this worldwide condemning. Given the two examples below showing him making the exact same move both 10 and over 20 years ago I don't understand why the reaction has been as such: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1WuWu8kGak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhJj-B3VqcU ..It's not like it's a surprise he was going to make that move today. What has surprised me this year about the guy is how he's not done something like this sooner. One example which sticks in my mind is at Silverstone vs Vettel I think [?] - on the run down to what remains of 'the complex' he was side by side with Vettel he actually gave him some room.. Quote:
I'm not trying to make out that Schumacher wasn't in the wrong. What I'm saying is that for a guy who's been around for all of Schumacher's career and who knows all of his (dirty?) tricks to expect him to give him any ground in the situation he was in surprises me. Rubens put himself in a situation which, in my mind, given the guy he was trying to pass, was always going to pan out the way it did. |
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Seriously, that move was extremely dangerous. While I agree that Rubens probably knew the gap was going to squeeze, when Michael closed it, Rubens was alongside near as dammit; and Michael knew he was there, he'd had more than enough time to take that line and force Rubens round the outside. He simply chose to wait and do what he's always done. To suggest that one of the elder statesmen of the sport shouldn't be made a scapegoat of is ridiculous: if you can't make examples of this, how can you stamp it out? And yes, I bet he wouldn't have tried it on Petrov or Hulkenberg or Hamilton or even probably Buemi et al: simply because he knew full well that they wouldn't have blinked first. Neither would Hakkinen or Villeneuve back in the day. He also now knows that Rubens has put that particular demon to bed and won't back down in the same situation. |
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Or do you save that for 'advanced' courses? Alex Wurz (who I guess maybe considered a step or two up from an ARDS instructor) is on record about how he saw the driving standards of Schumacher today. I think I'll give his opinion more weight - and remind myself never to race against RX-7s |
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Sure it isn't dangerous if nothing happens out of pure luck. Driving without a safety belt isn't dangerous. Because most of the times you get away. The statement that he only did because he knows Rubens is experience is just laughable. You really think Michael took the time to evaluate that Rubens will have the experience that a crash will be avoided? He did it because he is frustrated and they hate each other. That simple. But you are right with one thing though: Schumi has a very different view on what is dangerous. Basically everything any driver does to him is generally dangerous. But everything he does is never dangerous at all, because he surely is the only god in his universe. |
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