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What Ross Brawn has written about Michael giving enough room is complete rubbish.
If you want to see proper hard but fair racing, look back to the archives of the 80s where Alan Jones, Gilles Villeneuve, Keke Rosberg and Rene Arnoux among others squeezed rivals but always gave a cars width of tarmac. They were hard as nails but 100% fair with it. |
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That Hamilton incident could have caused a similar sort of accident that 'could have' happened today and seeing as though we are now handing out penalties for 'possible deaths' then Hamilton deserved one too and so did Webber. Unfortunatly Schumacher's name is attached to this one and thats why he has been punished. |
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I have never been a fan of TGF and his arrogant ways. He seems like a typical old racer trying to relive his glory days when he should have remained retired.
Yes he obviously was good in his heydays but always seemed to have the luck to come out best if there was an altercation on the track. Go back home to your coco and slippers ! |
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I don't think anyone agrees with you. The bottom line is, that was a very dangerous move TGF pulled and there was no excuse for it. I've seen my fair share of Indy Cars go into the wall and at least they are designed with that in mind, F1 cars aren't; that could have been really bad.
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You can't compare it to the Hamilton weaving at all, as Petrov was not close enough to be in danger, he wasn't even trying to overtake. (Besides the fact that Schumi has done real weaving that was far more dangerous than the Hamilton one). Here we are talking about them being side by side with Rubens getting pushed towards concrete with no room left to turn to. |
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I've not yet seen the race re-run, so I've not really got much to add to what I said before. I do completely agree though that the driving standards seen in high profile race series filters down to the driving habits of our club racers and that it's important that poor driving at a high level is made an example of. The general reaction to this incident reminds me a lot of the reaction to Ant's (Davidson) incident involving the leading GT1 Corvette at Le Mans this year. My personal reaction to this is also fairly similar to how I felt about that. Oh, and regarding track day driving I meant it's a million miles away because it doesn't involve any racecraft, which is what this discussion is all about. If you are practising racecraft on trackdays then you're breaking the number one rule. |
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In the interview he said that he wanted Rubens to take the left side so he tried to close the right one. So either he noticed Rubens didn't follow his plan, then he should have opened up a little bit. Or he just didn't see him at all, then he should watch his mirrors when pulling towards a wall. Either way it is a rather questionable and arrogant approach to racing. Actually that whole "He didn't follow MY divine plan, so it's his fault if he ends up in hospital" makes me wanna throw up. |
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I don't agree about the Petrov situation, putting physics into the equation and the amount of downforce an F1 car has then accident could have easily occured just the same as this one has. |
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Erm, well what was not potentially dangerous in Rubens deciding to go for that side of the track rather than around the outside when there was about 10 car widths? The move would have been done by the corner but Rubens decided to go for a gap that was always the most dangerous.
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I've been one of Scumacher's biggest fans, still am and hoping (that's hoping rather than expecting... ) he might be competitive next season.
However, he's pulled one or two little moves this season that have no place in F1 racing, today's being the worst and most dangerous. Rightly punished in my view. |
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Its pointless saying 'a repeat error of judgement could have let to...' because it didn't happen! We might as well not trust any of the F1 drivers with your analysis because they all make the odd mistake but then 99% of the time they do things that are inch perfect. A repeat error of judgement could kill Webber next time he runs into the back-marker, its an utterly illogical way to think about it. You're a fan of IndyCars right? After someone makes a mistake and nearly a crash do you then constantly worry about them not being inch perfect or think of what could have happened? I highly doubt it because when it comes down to it, the guys are experts and you trust their judgement. |
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Schumacher was approximately mid track and Rubens had to choose one side or another. In my view, Schumacher only goes further right in reaction to Ruben's overtake, when there were at least two car widths for him and a similar gap on the left hand side. If Rubens had gone left, Schui would no doubt have turned left into him and run him off the road on the otherside of the track http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRv0AfpIANo |
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I suspect Mercedes will be weighing up 'retiring' him and asking Michael how they and he would like to present the news.
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Pause at 10 seconds. That is pretty much the point just before Barrichello moves over to the right as you can see his car is still in the slip-stream of Schumacher. Schumacher is already verging over to defend the line on the right and making more space on the left hand side. Also not that the end of the pitlane wall angles slightly inwards towards the track just before it ends so that space with both of them moving right was always going to vanish. Rubens was always going for a gap that was going to dissapear and luckily for him Schumacher gave him just enough room to go down it. |
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