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Old 5 May 2005, 12:58 (Ref:1293652)   #1
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Old 5 May 2005, 13:15 (Ref:1293674)   #2
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Sorry, direct Url´s don´t work




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Old 5 May 2005, 14:05 (Ref:1293722)   #3
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I think it's one of the most ugliest touringcars I have ever seen
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Old 5 May 2005, 14:23 (Ref:1293737)   #4
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Dani Filth should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridDani Filth should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridDani Filth should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
the new Leon is ugly . so no wonder
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Old 5 May 2005, 14:29 (Ref:1293742)   #5
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I think it's one of the most ugliest touringcars I have ever seen
Car is not ugly, but for touring car racing I prefer saloon models (SEAT Toledo, BMW 320 & Alfa 156) instead of hatchbacks like this Leon (or Ford Focus & Honda Civic).
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Old 5 May 2005, 14:38 (Ref:1293745)   #6
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Super Tourer should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSuper Tourer should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSuper Tourer should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSuper Tourer should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Cars that shape (like the Honda Civic) were never that successful, certainly from the BTCC experience (although built to BTC regs), the Civic's seem to struggle for straightline speed and didn't carry extra weight very well.
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Old 5 May 2005, 14:43 (Ref:1293749)   #7
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Car is not ugly, but for touring car racing I prefer saloon models (SEAT Toledo, BMW 320 & Alfa 156) instead of hatchbacks like this Leon (or Ford Focus & Honda Civic).
I think touringcars should only be saloons.
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Old 5 May 2005, 14:55 (Ref:1293754)   #8
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Problem with that is that hatchbacks outsell saloons now by more than they ever did - and selling cars is why manufacturers go racing.
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Old 5 May 2005, 15:36 (Ref:1293780)   #9
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Yeah, i know But when hatches are already selling, they should give saloon cars more attention towards the public by racing them
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Old 5 May 2005, 16:07 (Ref:1293804)   #10
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fairly close to my mock up a while back
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66115

Hatches outsale saloons, although I do remember reading that Ford will try a Focus saloon in the WTCC at some point during the season - the rear deck provides cleaner air for the rear wing
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Old 5 May 2005, 16:32 (Ref:1293819)   #11
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Hazard should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridHazard should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridHazard should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Could be worse.

And the paint job seems to fit it better than the Toledo. The WTCC paint scheme has had so many sponsors thrown on it, it's become a bit like a patch-work quilt
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Old 5 May 2005, 16:55 (Ref:1293829)   #12
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I'll wait with the jugdement, till it will hit the track.

But I'm afraid, that it'll look even worse...
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Old 5 May 2005, 17:14 (Ref:1293839)   #13
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fairly close to my mock up a while back
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66115

Hatches outsale saloons, although I do remember reading that Ford will try a Focus saloon in the WTCC at some point during the season - the rear deck provides cleaner air for the rear wing
Hatchbacks are indeed more populair in Europe so it's logical manufacturers try to race with them. I also have read somewere Ford will try a saloon version of the Focus.

@ Andy: nice car.
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Old 5 May 2005, 17:48 (Ref:1293858)   #14
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I'll wait with the jugdement, till it will hit the track.

But I'm afraid, that it'll look even worse...
Audi Sport engineers worked in it, i have confidence.
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Old 5 May 2005, 17:51 (Ref:1293862)   #15
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fairly close to my mock up a while back
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66115
hmmm... actually I think the mock up looks a whole lot better!
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Old 5 May 2005, 18:02 (Ref:1293871)   #16
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I think it'll look better in the plainer BTCC colours of silver & yellow.

Far prefer the Toledo as it's a textbook Touring Car
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Old 5 May 2005, 18:24 (Ref:1293875)   #17
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They also sell a lots of STWs on this segment, so how about them, just look at how some touring car civilian versions look as STW versions:

Accord Tourer

Alfa 156 Sportwagon

BMW 3-series Touring (the new model)
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Old 5 May 2005, 18:36 (Ref:1293878)   #18
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They also sell a lots of STWs on this segment, so how about them, just look at how some touring car civilian versions look as STW versions:
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How could you forget about Volvo V50
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I think it'll look better in the plainer BTCC colours of silver & yellow.
maybe, this years BTCC car looks like a dogs dinner with the br******, TrackStar/Smart Nav and squeezed in SEAT branding. Last years livery looked much better
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How could you forget about Volvo V50
Because there's no Volvos on the World Series any more.
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It is a hatchback, because Seat has nothing else to race. What should they race instead? The new Altea (which is a MPV) or the new Toledo (which is not a saloon at all either).
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Old 6 May 2005, 09:37 (Ref:1294222)   #22
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The WTCC should only have saloons and no hatchbacks, they simply look like **** and I dont see them as racing cars.
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That thing is gorgeous!!! although i agree touring cars should be saloons!!!
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Car is not ugly, but for touring car racing I prefer saloon models (SEAT Toledo, BMW 320 & Alfa 156) instead of hatchbacks like this Leon (or Ford Focus & Honda Civic).
at least saloon models acn install a big rear wing
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wing is the same size regardless of saloon or hatch IIRC
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