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Old 29 Sep 2011, 06:32 (Ref:2962405)   #1
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Good to see they're looking elsewhere in NZ.
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Old 29 Sep 2011, 06:50 (Ref:2962408)   #2
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Going back to the tradional home that is Pukekohe?
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Old 29 Sep 2011, 06:58 (Ref:2962410)   #3
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Old 29 Sep 2011, 07:07 (Ref:2962411)   #4
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Or perhaps they want to sell the assets to the Filipinos
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Old 29 Sep 2011, 07:56 (Ref:2962423)   #5
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Would do everyone a favour if they went back to a permanent race circuit.
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Old 29 Sep 2011, 08:00 (Ref:2962425)   #6
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Would do everyone a favour if they went back to a permanent race circuit.
well except all the extra people that went to hamilton over the permanent circuit
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Old 29 Sep 2011, 10:34 (Ref:2962464)   #7
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At the ITM 400 this year, the weather wasn't ideal, to be fair. There was still a solid crowd. A few things happened a bit last minute, but there was a recession on.

The new management team did really well to pull together after a period of uncertainty under the previous management.

New Zealand is deemed to be a key market for V8 Supercars - even TC has said that so it must be true

At this year's event, the owners of Hampton Downs met with V8 Supercar management for what seemed like at least a discussion. The issue with Hampton is the track isn't complete, not all of the facilities are complete, and even having V8 Supercars in the bag mightn't be enough to convince the bank to let the last piece of tarmac get laid and the facilities completed. And a "substandard" track would contravine the whole push for a street race in the first place.

So what do they do now?

Well, this poses quite a challenge. Let's look at the various permanent circuits with a broad brush rather than specific critique:

Teretonga and Levels: Essentially goat tracks that lack Supercar crowd facilities

Ruapuna: Uncertainty over earthquakes and a lack of decent facilties to cope with the Supercar crowds

Manfeild: Maybe - issues being accommodation to house everyone and the ability to house a large crowd

Taupo: The A1GP didn't exactly flourish there and that may be because of our love for V8 engined touring cars as opposed to single-seaters. Taupo would also struggle to cope with a decent V8 Supercar crowd when it comes to accommodation. There would be significant reliance on Rotorua, Hastings, Napier, and probably Hamilton (how ironic!!) to house everyone.

All of these (essentially) provincial race circuits would require a large influx of visitors to make the race viable. Seemingly this is what Hamilton has seemed to lack as ticket are preferentially released to the locals. Can these tracks afford to take a punt on the "hold it and they will come" mentality and risk profile?

That leaves Hampton Downs and Pukekohe. Is Hampton up to the standard that V8 Supercars demand? Going back to Pukekohe would be a bitter pill to swallow for a series that had "far outgrown the venue" and needed to move to a street circuit to remain in New Zealand.

So, this raises an interesting question/dilemma: If not Hamilton, where?

Where do you think?

Keep an eye out for some ideas coming soon!
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Old 29 Sep 2011, 11:03 (Ref:2962479)   #8
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JDI, help me out with something please

I was always given the impression that the v8's had to leave Pukekohe because the horse racing track wanted to take over, obviously that didn't happen

was, i mislead, or was there a change of plans?

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Old 29 Sep 2011, 19:01 (Ref:2962646)   #9
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So, this raises an interesting question/dilemma: If not Hamilton, where?

Where do you think?

Keep an eye out for some ideas coming soon!
Very nicely put JDI, more questions raised than answers. And as you have alluded to, things, would need to change in any of those venues to make a V8SC race viable.

Personally I would love to see the race happen at HD,on the full circuit, and have no doubt that it will eventually host some very big race meetings. Tony Roberts and co. are a passionate bunch of motorsport nuts, who have put their hearts and souls into this venue and like many others here in NZ I really want to see this place succeed. But a lot of work still required to complete.
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Old 29 Sep 2011, 21:15 (Ref:2962712)   #10
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street circuits v permanent facilities

Its much harder for the V8 money men to raid the public purse at permanent facilities but it is possible.

Is this a step down that path?
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Old 29 Sep 2011, 21:17 (Ref:2962713)   #11
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JDI, help me out with something please

I was always given the impression that the v8's had to leave Pukekohe because the horse racing track wanted to take over, obviously that didn't happen

was, i mislead, or was there a change of plans?

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I don't think anyone was mislead as such. I'm pretty sure that this was the case and then the circumstances changed.

Pukekohe used to get the 4th biggest Friday crowd of any V8 Supercar event. The trouble was, come Sunday, you were packed in and really there was no growth opportunity.

I can't remember if it was the year before ITM became naming rights sponsor or the first year that they were, but it was on either the Saturday or the Sunday that Hamilton was under 1000 tickets from being fully sold out and may have got as low as 500!

The gouging that goes on in the hospitality sector for accommodation is amazing. One motel that is close to the circuit - a very short walk indeed - I can usually stay at for $125-150 a night any day of the year. Stayed there the night before the night of the recent Rugby World Cup match in Hamilton for $225 - not a rugby fan, had no idea of the game happening, huge surprise.

To calm my disbelief, the motelier pulled out a rate card and points to my $225. I asked what the $300 a night deal was for and was told that is for Fieldays and the V8 Supercars when Hamilton fills up.

V8 Supercar TV have stayed at this place - I thought Wow, money for jam there! They'd fill it I'd reckon and at $300 a night.

So lots of Aucklanders don't bother going. This year, I could've easily filled a 50-seat coach with the number of people I know who don't go because of the accommodation cost or the travel time. The drive can be two hours in each direction I am reliably told.

V8 Supercars could go a long way by running trains from Britomart in Auckland stopping all the way to Hamilton and then have shuttle buses going between the train station and the track.

Judging by the shock announcement from Shane Howard, you have to wonder if they have lost their heart for the event, which is actually really sad if that is the case.
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Old 29 Sep 2011, 21:18 (Ref:2962715)   #12
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Its much harder for the V8 money men to raid the public purse at permanent facilities but it is possible.

Is this a step down that path?
Only time will tell, but to execute the strategy you speak of, the event would have to be at Pukekohe or Hampton Downs one would imagine.
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Old 29 Sep 2011, 21:20 (Ref:2962718)   #13
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Very nicely put JDI, more questions raised than answers. And as you have alluded to, things, would need to change in any of those venues to make a V8SC race viable.

Personally I would love to see the race happen at HD,on the full circuit, and have no doubt that it will eventually host some very big race meetings. Tony Roberts and co. are a passionate bunch of motorsport nuts, who have put their hearts and souls into this venue and like many others here in NZ I really want to see this place succeed. But a lot of work still required to complete.
You are right, brown dog.

The question would be how would Hampton Downs cope with that sized crowd, what would happen with the apartments, and where would all the corporate suites go?
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I think that V8SCA have realised that you can go broke running V8 Supercar events, this is something that the tracks have been saying for years as V8SCA kept hiking up their fees. V8SCA have stepped out of Symmons Plains and now out of Hamilton, who is next? Phillip Island?

Interestingly Winton is the only 'permanent' track to still run/promote their own event, all the rest have handed over the reins to V8SCA.

With the mega-bucks being spent on Eastern Creek to effectively make it a 5.0km circuit, with money handed over by the NEW NSW Government, how long before Tony et el will be told to shut down Homebush and move to E.C. if they want to continue to receive money to prop up their event.
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Old 29 Sep 2011, 21:59 (Ref:2962735)   #15
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In other interesting news, Auckland has now almost completed its rail loop, so we can now get round the larger metropolitan area south of the Harbour Bridge by train and north of the Harbour Bridge by dedicated bus lanes beside the motorway.

Now, ATEED is being run a fellow familiar with V8 Supercars by the name of Michael Redman - the very man who pushed to get the V8 Supercars to Hamilton.

A recent urgent meeting secured ATEED a peculiarly odd sum of millions to invest in securing events for the region. I wonder if Shane Howard has paid him a visit prior to or post wet-fishing the Hamilton City Council. Oh to have seen the look on Mayor Julie Hardaker's face. Now she has to justify a huge asset write-down to people of Hamilton if the race is relocated to Auckland or Wellington.

Auckland and Wellington both have the corporate support and the accommodation space to house everyone....and Auckland NEEDS something after the RWC sails out of town. Wellington has a Green Party mayor, so the very best of luck to them.....chances are mininal in the capital!
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The bigger issue is something that happened to Nascar and that is market saturation. V8SC races everywhere in Australia and NZ that could afford them and there isn't much room for growth. In the case of NZ, with the resource consent laws, getting things done is not easy.

There really isn't many options for NZ. Wellington I don't see happening. Hampton Downs has potential but they are a way from being able to accommodate the V8SC circus. Taupo, maybe, but I don't think the money is there for it. South Island, I always thought Christchurch was worth it, but after the earthquake I don't see that happening. Ruapuna is a nice track for what it is, but the club wouldn't or doesn't have the money to make that happen. So you have Auckland for street circuit potential.

Not a lot of good or realistic options. Hopefully something works out.

Hamilton I think they made a good go of it with what they had, but the circuit was pretty tight for V8SC.

It would seem strange for V8SC to abandon Hamilton for Pukehoke also.
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In that evaluation, ongoing challenges – including Hamilton’s distance from a major corporate centre, modest hotel infrastructure and the downturn of ticket sales in the Waikato region – have also been taken into account.
Really there's only two area's in New Zealand that would come under those, Auckland and Wellington.

Obviously Christchurch is in no state at the moment to be bidding for a V8 race or anything similar, even if the accommodation industry is likely to be back up and running before any event in what I would guess will be November 2013.

Wellington.... obviously it might be a bit of a challenge to get it past the greenie-mayor but hasn't it tried to sell itself as the 'events capital' of NZ for a while? it certainly has the hotel infrastructure, corporate background and a fairly strong economy to support a V8's event. Not too sure where you'd have a street race though? down by the waterfront would be nice, but way too disruptive for the city I would imagine.... Maybe Lower Hutt? then it's probably too far away fro the city & it's facilities.

And then we get back to Auckland, which has plenty of space, facilities and corporate support....
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And then we get back to Auckland, which has plenty of space, facilities and corporate support....
With a different city structure and mayor to the last time this was attempted
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I've always believe the NZ swing of the series should be a two event deal with one on the North Island and the other on the South Island.

There's plenty of race tracks in NZ for them to play at but street circuits are easier to bleed government money from.
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TC speaks and pretty much discounts Hampton Downs out of the equation
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Well that sounds like all she wrote and it's the end of the road.
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