The Last 96 Hours of Ayrton Senna

[Aysedasi]

It just occurs - I wonder if a mod could amend the spelling mistake in the thread title please?

Thanks.

[JeremySmith]

Done, and thank you for pointing that out..

[mountainstar]

I still wonder what went wrong that day?

The new aero rules made the redesigned cars hard to drive. Too much speed maybe with the bumps that caused aero imbalance and he understeered off?

Steering column cracked?

If anything his legacy ushered in a new era of safety considerations for drivers safety gear, the cars themselves and circuits. I thought things were good then but they have come a long way since.

[JeremySmith]

You may be interested in listening to the latest Motor Sport podcast, where this subject is discussed..

http://www.motorsportmagazine.co.uk/...ening-podcast/

[strider]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

I believe there were other issues involved(money), which it would not have mattered who Ayrton hooked up with, the family would not have been happy. Once you marry someone and have kids, your relationship with your family changes as you have your own family now and the responsibilities that go with it. Essentially the focus of the gravy train would have shifted. I'm not accusing the family of any impropriety, but they definitely personally benefited from his business endeavors and subsequently his estate. It's only natural to defend your quarter.

The point is that they banned Adriane Galisteu from the funeral because they thought she was a gold digger, something which Bononi has said she has since disproved, having gone on to have a very successful career. Okay, the connection with Senna no doubt helped launch it, but she wouldn't still be successful if she was no good.

Secondly, they did allow an ex-girl friend, Xuxa, to attend the funeral. She is shown in the film as as a TV show presenter who repeatedly kisses Ayrton, wishing him Happy New Year for the years ahead, stopping, rather spookily, at 1993.

[Mr V]

Makes you wonder what Senna himself would have made of it? I can't believe he'd have been happy knowing that the woman he loved would have been cut off by his own family in this way?

[strider]

I don't think he would have liked it at all and it doesn't fit with what I know of Viviane Senna, his sister.

I think the family misjudged Adriane and may now regret it, but it was all a long time ago.

[strider]

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

You may be interested in listening to the latest Motor Sport podcast, where this subject is discussed..

http://www.motorsportmagazine.co.uk/...ening-podcast/

Thanks for posting this link, Jeremy.

I have only just got round to listening to the podcast and it's very good indeed, with some interesting people involved.

[Wrighty05]

That entire article was taken from a book on Senna by Tom Rubython

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Wrighty05

That entire article was taken from a book on Senna by Tom Rubython

So it's plagiarism? Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Rubython

[AMP Marshal]

I had never read that article before, thanks for the link. It was truly an evoking read indeed. I remember I was at work on that Sunday and recieved the news of Senna's death from a friend of mine. A very sad day in Motorsport and a horrific end to a horrific weekend. I believe that Jaques Villeneuve was close to Roland as they were friends while racing F3 in Japan. Even to this day Jaques won't talk about Roland Ratzenberger. Senna was like Gilles, needing to be the quickest no matter what the session was, practice, qualifying, race laps, it didn't matter to either of them, and sadly they found the same fate almost 12 years to the day from one another. Sad indeed.

[Wrighty05]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

So it's plagiarism? Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Rubython

Well I wouldn't say all. The negative Ratzenberger quote wasn't in the Senna book. 95% of the article is. Read the Senna book a couple of weeks ago before I went to see the movie.

I don't know who got it from who, but it's the same!

[bella]

it highlights the bits i find interesting about senna over most if not all but one or two racing drivers and that's the awareness of human aspects of motorsport between driving and the mind. it's exactly that that i'd suggest adriane understood and was comfortable with - it's normally articulated as someone being on the same "wavelength" or "reading their mind". outside of science but currently tends to be blotted out by "sports psychology". his religious beliefs allowed him to understand that level of thought, albeit by using god as a method of articulating and quantifying it. hence his very strong christian faith.

fairly certain i remember reading an article also based on the book in a f1 magazine at some point in the past, so perhaps this is that article lifted out of it and credited to the editor of the article rather than the author.

[Chatters]

I remember reading this a short while ago- A very powerful read. Not being old enough to remember Senna racing (I was 4 when he died), I at times struggle to comprehend the effect he had on people, the motorsport community, and the world in general. I am however able to understand his absolute relentlessness behind the wheel of a racecar, and it is something I will always wish I could have seen.

I await the release of 'Senna' in Australia with great eagerness...

[strider]

Originally Posted by bella

it highlights the bits i find interesting about senna over most if not all but one or two racing drivers and that's the awareness of human aspects of motorsport between driving and the mind. it's exactly that that i'd suggest adriane understood and was comfortable with - it's normally articulated as someone being on the same "wavelength" or "reading their mind". outside of science but currently tends to be blotted out by "sports psychology". his religious beliefs allowed him to understand that level of thought, albeit by using god as a method of articulating and quantifying it. hence his very strong christian faith.

It's possible that they were soul mates, which is the ultimate expression of what you're talking about. Ayrton must have cared for and trusted her very much to allow her into his very private life to the extent that he did.

[Bononi]

Originally Posted by Wrighty05

Well I wouldn't say all. The negative Ratzenberger quote wasn't in the Senna book. 95% of the article is. Read the Senna book a couple of weeks ago before I went to see the movie.

I don't know who got it from who, but it's the same!

I could say the whole thing was taken from a TV Special from Globo TV, IIRC, back in 96 or 97, specially the parts from Galvão Bueno, Reginaldo Leme and Adriane, but I can't confirm it until I review my VHS tapes from the time...

[bella]

Originally Posted by strider

It's possible that they were soul mates, which is the ultimate expression of what you're talking about. Ayrton must have cared for and trusted her very much to allow her into his very private life to the extent that he did.

that level of self-awareness is pretty rare, and something you very rarely see (actually you don't see, you feel, but that's not the point). it also takes one to know one, as it were. if it's coupled with physical attraction it's absolutely unbreakable and unignorable which is when the soulmate thing comes in. in terms of racing, that self-awareness seems to create this level of thinking akin to stepping back but it allows you to engage more with what you do without actively thinking about it. you can see when drivers able to use that state of mind disengage for any reason - they start to be aware of their decisions and start to make bad ones. that state of mind coupled with senna's ridiculous driving abilities made him pretty unstoppable. how you choose to label all that depends on your beliefs and society, and also whether you choose to recognise it at all.

difficult to explain, but easy to see if you know what you're looking for.

in my opinion, anyway

[darcia2]

We went friday evening to see the film in Melb.... full house many emotions by all that were there . the general release is August 11... for Australia...
The film was everything i was lead to believe .. and more ill see the film again
and if there is a rumored 4hr version that would awesome .....

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by strider

It's possible that they were soul mates, which is the ultimate expression of what you're talking about. Ayrton must have cared for and trusted her very much to allow her into his very private life to the extent that he did.

We will never know and it really doesn't matter I guess, but I'd say Adrienne was probably more in love with him, than him with her. Apparently Senna told other people he had no interest in marrying her, yet.

[strider]

Originally Posted by bella

that level of self-awareness is pretty rare, and something you very rarely see (actually you don't see, you feel, but that's not the point). it also takes one to know one, as it were. if it's coupled with physical attraction it's absolutely unbreakable and unignorable which is when the soulmate thing comes in. in terms of racing, that self-awareness seems to create this level of thinking akin to stepping back but it allows you to engage more with what you do without actively thinking about it. you can see when drivers able to use that state of mind disengage for any reason - they start to be aware of their decisions and start to make bad ones. that state of mind coupled with senna's ridiculous driving abilities made him pretty unstoppable. how you choose to label all that depends on your beliefs and society, and also whether you choose to recognise it at all.

difficult to explain, but easy to see if you know what you're looking for.

in my opinion, anyway

It's mine as well because I understand completely where you're coming from and for such a complex subject you have articulated it very well.

[strider]

Originally Posted by darcia2

We went friday evening to see the film in Melb.... full house many emotions by all that were there . the general release is August 11... for Australia...
The film was everything i was lead to believe .. and more ill see the film again
and if there is a rumored 4hr version that would awesome .....

A little way back on this thread Jeremy Smith gave a link to a discussion about the film that was held after a private showing. It was quite a long listen (50 minutes or so) but worth it, and one of the things the writer, Manish Pandey, said was that the Blu-Ray version will be longer and include interviews with talking heads. Maybe as extras, I don't know.

One of the other speakers was the then McLaren team co-ordinator, Jo Ramirez, and what he had to say was really interesting as well.

[Bononi]

Adriane is better than never: "Adriane Galisteu one more time". And all this after she had her first baby last year.

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by Bononi

Adriane is better than never: "Adriane Galisteu one more time". And all this after she had her first baby last year.

Jesus that jolted me awake.

One of my biggest regrets in life was letting this one Brazilian girlfriend go by the wayside, for really no reason, I was pretty dumb I guess.

Today I was thinking about Senna again and remembered there was this one documentary I have somewhere that was done about his life back in Brazil in the off season. It's about an hour long. It shows him building a house, helping youngsters with karting, enjoying the beach life.

Very sad that all that he had, he didn't get the chance to enjoy further. I think for me, it is a good reminder to enjoy life and living, because the time that we have is short and fleeting.

Ultimately, I think life and it's importance isn't so much about how much money you have or how long you live but what you bring to other people. And I think his legacy is that he inspired a lot of people, his ongoing foundation has helped thousands of Brazilian children and a lot of motorsport safety changes happened that probably saved other lives.

[strider]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

Today I was thinking about Senna again and remembered there was this one documentary I have somewhere that was done about his life back in Brazil in the off season. It's about an hour long. It shows him building a house, helping youngsters with karting, enjoying the beach life.

Very sad that all that he had, he didn't get the chance to enjoy further. I think for me, it is a good reminder to enjoy life and living, because the time that we have is short and fleeting.

Ultimately, I think life and it's importance isn't so much about how much money you have or how long you live but what you bring to other people. And I think his legacy is that he inspired a lot of people, his ongoing foundation has helped thousands of Brazilian children and a lot of motorsport safety changes happened that probably saved other lives.

I have that documentary on VHS tape too, if it's A Star Named Ayrton Senna. You'll see the young Bruno in it, although I didn't know it was him at the time. I also have one called Inside Track: Senna And McLaren and the official season video of the 1993 season. It's actually called Senna Fights Back and has a photo of him on the cover even though Prost won the title. But Ayrton was driving at his very best in his last year with McLaren.

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by strider

I have that documentary on VHS tape too, if it's A Star Named Ayrton Senna. You'll see the young Bruno in it, although I didn't know it was him at the time. I also have one called Inside Track: Senna And McLaren and the official season video of the 1993 season. It's actually called Senna Fights Back and has a photo of him on the cover even though Prost won the title. But Ayrton was driving at his very best in his last year with McLaren.

Well there was that 7 episode BBC series on McLaren in 1993, which was probably one of the more interesting and useful tv series I've seen on F1.

I wonder if that house he was building as seen in the documentary I originally referenced ever got finished?