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Thanks for that, but didn't Farina and Fangio drive for Alfa Romeo in '50 and '51, not Maseratti?
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Sorry Lewis haters, but in the circumstances, I still don't see anything really wrong with that either. OK, so maybe Lewis is a bit paranoid about his mechanical unreliability (presumably that was what was behind his refusal to say that he felt like they'd both been given equal machinery), but what do people expect the guy to do? Spin cartwheels and be full of joy because he's just lost the World Championship? OK, he was peeved (and does always show his emotions), but I think it was understandable in the circumstances. |
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28 Nov 2016, 12:19 (Ref:3691729) | #131 | ||
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I thought LH's drive was one of the best he has done - tactically brilliant. Didn't pan out, but a really great drive.
On the other hand, for Merc to tell him to speed up, and effectively ruin the end to the season was one of the worst things they have ever done! In fact, really incomprehensible. They had literally nothing to lose to letting them race! Anyone wanting LH to be sacked for producing one of the most exciting end of season races needs to find a different sport. How about sailing? Oh hold on, some sailing does involved sailing deliberately slowly and interfering with your competitors, like the America's Cup for example.... |
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28 Nov 2016, 12:46 (Ref:3691740) | #132 | ||
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Let me first of all congratulate Nico on winning, you win championships with consistency and when you are sitting in the best car with a teammate as good as you if not better that is where you have to put your attention. In the Ferrari dominant years we had team orders that ensured MS won, Mercedes are to be congratulated on at least giving us season long show instead of what Ferrari may have dished up in the same circumstances.
I saw nothing wrong in Lewis tactics, as I think he said over the radio, "I am losing the championship. I am not going to lose the race" We saw Senna in a similar position to Nico in past years and it was suggested over our table at dinner on Saturday night that Nico should do a "Senna", that would have been dreadful. It was also said that Lewis claimed before the race that he would have "moral victory", I never saw that, in fact the bit where moral victory was mentioned said the opposite IMO. He went to Nico before they both took their helmets off and in my close experience of racing drivers that is the point at which they are least magnanimous having "lost" We had a fascinating race that could have been as boring all the way through as it looked like being after the first corner, Max livened that up and Lewis livened up the last 10 laps or so. Roll on 2017 |
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Hamilton lost the title primarily as a result of poor reliability. For the team to then try and interfere in the race result when they were guaranteed a WCC and WDC regardless of the outcome is just rubbing salt in the wounds. Under those circumstances I defy anyone to say that Hamilton's responses were out of order. The guy ultimately is paid to drive fast and win races, not pander to Toto's wishes to have an umpteenth 1-2 finish.
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28 Nov 2016, 13:02 (Ref:3691746) | #134 | |
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He's employed by Mercedes. He is supposed to pander to Toto's wishes, that's how employments work. You do what you're told or else you'll get fired
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There are many sports where tactics play out in this respect, athletics is another example in long distance . Its what multiple champions do. That's why they are! Well done Nico though. |
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Great end to the year. My heart was thumping away at the end which hasn't happened since Brazil 2008. Don't think there's anything wrong with what Hamilton did - the team have let them race for the last 3 years and had nothing to lose other than a 1-2.
Have to say I'm slightly disappointed with Button. He's a great driver and I respect him hugely but he made it seem like he couldn't give a dam about F1, which doesn't look very good if your one of the teams sponsors. |
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Think of it from a psychological POV, Button is leaving something he has been doing for many years, and must love, and may even be addicted to (speed is addictive). He need some way of making that 'right' and one way is to make it, to himself, less of an attraction. If you tell yourself what you are doing is SoSo you don't have the same issues leaving it! It may not be true, but it helps!
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28 Nov 2016, 13:52 (Ref:3691767) | #139 | ||
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Which is a shame as I think overall Mercedes F1 has managed the driver situation well, but this weekend they made it clear that actually they thought it was Nico's turn to have the championship. This doesn't make Nico undeserving, he put himself in the position to win it over the season, but I think that this will be his only championship, I can't see him beating Lewis again, bearing in mind how long it has taken. In the final analysis, world class racing drivers in F1 race for themselves, not their sponsors or manufacturers, they want to beat everyone including and especially their team mate, that is why teams hire them not the 'journeyman' who don't have that last bit of edge of competition in them. |
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It's not unusual for teams to favor the championship leading driver tho, that's pretty much par for the course
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There are times when a driver needs to support a team mate if for example only one is championship contention, but not in the final laps of the final race when both are fighting for the championship.
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personally i couldn't give a stuff if a driver wants to play tactics, no matter how "unsportsmanlike" or whatever some people think it is. that's one driver, playing a game to try and get the most out of a race - motor racing.
it starts to get dodgy for me with team orders, where a team expects a driver to do something (think the prema/stroll shenanigans this season). that's when it gets into the realms of someone not in a racing car deciding what happens in a motor race which is dubious territory. |
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28 Nov 2016, 14:52 (Ref:3691781) | #143 | |
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While reliability had an influence on the championship, so did Lewis by sitting on the start line at many GP's while Nico was hitting the first apex.
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As has been pointed out elsewhere both drivers have demonstrated a lack of sportsmanship this year, and last. Whilst I thought he was unsporting (but I am old fashioned) I saw nothing that Lewis did that broke any racing rules. And indeed it did spice up the final ten laps. There have been times, like 2007, when I though Lewis was unlucky not to win the title, but he has had his share of luck, 2008 anybody? So it's swings and roundabouts. To suggest that Nico is less than a worthy champion is banal in the extreme. |
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That said, keeping a 200mph+ missile on the road while jiggling all the bells, buttons and whistles and avoiding everyone else is pretty spectacular anyway. I have just realised something, however... the last time we saw as polarised a response to teams & drivers wiping the floor with everyone was during the Ferrari years. It came close during RBR's dominant period, but not quite so unpleasant. Maybe next year, if things play out with less categorical certainty, everyone will start being nice to each other again? |
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I've said before, I'm not a fan of either Lewis or Nico and I don't have favourite drivers anymore. I grew out of that a long time a go but I do have drivers who I admire and don't admire, for their conduct on and off the track.
On the track, Lewis did what he had to do, in order to retain his crown and win that fourth championship. He didn't do anything untoward. Likewise the same goes for Nico, did what he had to do, in order to get that first title. He didn't do anything untoward either, so hats off to both. Likewise, in the post-race room, neither driver appeared to do anything untoward, with both doing whatever they had to do before going out onto the podium, with millions around the world watching, especially after the title decider. On the podium itself, it was bound to be a uncomfortable. However, I thought Lewis behaved well and he had to. To that petulant side, that we have seen all to often and not expose it must have taken some effort, so good on Lewis and he continued in that manner with the various post race interviews. Maybe losing the title and having to control himself in public, is what Lewis needs to in order to get over that petulant trait? We shall see. Equally, Nico didn't rub it into Lewis's face, not that I expected him to. |
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Like I said here before the race, it depends upon what Mercedes wants to achieve. They have consistently said they wanted to get the best possible team result, and at the very least win the race (any race, not just this one) While you and I, and Lewis and Nico were only concerned about who was going to be champion, I think Mercedes' prime objective was "we want to win the race". Hence I think they told Lewis to speed up in order to assure that win, not to help Nico. |
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but ultimately i suppose it's case by case isn't it? in this case he absolutely had the right to ignore the teams warnings of the consequences of his actions, but the team also had the right to warn him and ask politely if he wouldn't mind pulling his finger out a bit. |
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