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24 Jul 2001, 13:06 (Ref:121106)
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A Decade of Super Touring in the BTCC
Well I believe there has never been a proper book on the history of the BTCC's Super Touring days, So I want to put that right and create a book on the history of Super Touring from 1991-2000.
What I need is The top 10 finishers in every BTCC race from 91-2000 The top 3 independent finishers in every BTCC race from 92-2000 Photos of BTCC cars from 1991-2000 (I especially need the championship winning cars for the front cover) Driver profiles of top BTCC drivers in the Super Touring era Guides to the tracks used in the BTCC from those years and....all of the people involved in this project will have their name put in the book! I hope you take this seriously because i'm only 14 and a budding motorsport journalist, so if this takes off then you may see this book in all good book stores in the near future! |
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24 Jul 2001, 16:43 (Ref:121157)
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you making a BTCC book?
if u do id buy it! HOW MUCH? |
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25 Jul 2001, 02:04 (Ref:121365)
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Ironically, Invincible, I feel like joining the same field of jobs!! That really would be a lot of fun to make and I would be willing to help out.
 I have the review tapes from 1991-1997 and my collection is growing so I will be willing to help by all means! 
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25 Jul 2001, 06:54 (Ref:121431)
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i've got a heap of pictures on my computer, tell us if you want any. Is the book going to be based strictly on BTCC or Super Touring in general
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25 Jul 2001, 08:57 (Ref:121458)
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Hang On!
I've actully already got a book called "Touring Cars" by John Tipler.
It's got a lot in it about the 90's seasons in the BTCC, especial '96 (all about Frank Biala winning in 4WD and all that) and a bit about the first half of 1007, but no more BTCC seasons after that. I'd never seen it before, but I got it in Merry Hill at Christmas time when me brother spoted it! Greg. 
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25 Jul 2001, 08:59 (Ref:121460)
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Re: Hang On!
I've never seen it before, but they're bound to have it somewhere else.
ps. I meant 1997 in the last quote not 1007, sorry! |
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25 Jul 2001, 10:41 (Ref:121487)
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Well because Super Touring died out in the BTCC, it's based on the BTCC, I need for the front cover all the championship winning cars of the Super Touring era
so I need: WILL HOY'S LISTERINE VLM BMW M3 OF 91 TIM HARVEY'S LISTERINE VLM BMW 318i OF 92 JO WINKELHOCK WARSTEINER SCHNITZER BMW 318i OF 93 GABRIELE TARQUINI'S ALFA ROMEO 155 OF 94 JOHN CLELAND'S RML CAVALIER OF 95 FRANK BIELA'S AUDI A4 OF 96 ALAIN MENU'S WILLIAMS RENAULT LAGUNA OF 97 RICKARD RYDELL'S VOLVO S40 TWR OF 98 LAURENT AIELLO'S RML NISSAN PRIMERA OF 99 AND ALAIN MENU'S PRODRIVE FORD MONDEO OF 2000 And driver profiles, of nearly all the competitors of the Super Touring era! |
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25 Jul 2001, 14:04 (Ref:121560)
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I know where you can get some of those pics online but there could be a problem with the copywrite.
Hmm i can do a lot of research online since i'm 5 hours back from the U.K! I'll take Paul Radisich...  I can do a lot of the guys from 1992-1994. I will probably have a problem with the privateers, though. |
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25 Jul 2001, 15:49 (Ref:121601)
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If you're really, really serious about doing this, then copyright on pictures won't necessarily be a problem. It will be a question of extracting permission from the copyright holder (usually an agency, but sometimes the individual photographer), and then the copyright holder will extract a fee, which is usually some nominal sum.
They are realistic about this - they hold the copyright in order for their work to earn money, but by the same token, they know that there is a limit to what they can charge before your book becomes unprofitable. The two biggest agencies are LAT and Sutton Photographic. Sutton are based near Silverstone, while LAT are in Teddington, Middlesex, and hold the rights to all the pictures in Haymarket's archive. That's everything that was photographed for Autosport, Autocar, Motor, Classic & Sportscar and Motor Sport... Don't forget the National Motor Museum library down at Beaulieu. They have been very helpful in the preparation of my own project. They may also be a little cheaper than the commercial agencies. Best of luck! |
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25 Jul 2001, 16:06 (Ref:121605)
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By the way - a spot of advice from a statistics nut.
If you can, go for the full results of each race, not just the top-tens. DNFs and their causes are always interesting, winners speeds also. All of these sorts of things help to make the book unmissable for the dedicated fan. The whole point of getting the book in the marketplace is to help open the enthusiast's wallet! It's not too difficult to find information on the races Smokin' Jo Winkelhock won - the secret is in supplying race positions for - say - Nigel Smith's HMSO Cavalier. And that might make all the difference to a sale. After all, there are plenty of F1 enthusiasts - myself included - who are prepared to pay £60 a time for Paul Sheldon's Grand Prix stats books, and they don't even have any pictures in them at all! |
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25 Jul 2001, 18:02 (Ref:121657)
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If you want full results go for the 'Touring Car Year' Annuals. They are always informative, and have profiles of the teams and drivers. Good luck!
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24 Oct 2001, 20:21 (Ref:165011)
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I've just discovered this thread and realised I completely forgot about it!
Right well I do have Touring Reviews for: 1992 1996 & 1997 so I need results for 91,93,94,95,98,99 & 2000 Does anyone have review books of that year if so can you e-mail me the results at invincible59@yahoo.co.uk Pictures, Any good places to get driver and car pics, if so then e-mail me again! Any help won't go unnoticed! invincible |
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25 Oct 2001, 00:56 (Ref:165128)
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Since we're on the topic of touring cars and books, this book was released just back in May. It is about Ford's Touring Car efforts since the '50-'90s!!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...879786-6243801 Hey, can anyone locate a cheap copy of John Tipler's Touring Car Racing for me? Thanks ahead. |
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25 Oct 2001, 07:12 (Ref:165155)
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Good Luck, Invincible, but it won't be easy...
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25 Oct 2001, 09:08 (Ref:165176)
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25 Oct 2001, 16:47 (Ref:165388)
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Hey Invincible, since I'm in Canada, it's a bit difficult for me to check at Donington market. Will you visit the market very soon? If so, could you keep your eye out for a cheap/good condition copy of the book? If so, could you get it for me? I would willingly reimburse you. Thanks ahead.
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25 Oct 2001, 17:56 (Ref:165443)
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Great idea, Invincible, best of luck. I do wonder though if this might be best tackled as a website ? The road to getting a book published would be long and expensive - whilst a website would be a lot quicker, easier and less expensive
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25 Oct 2001, 18:14 (Ref:165454)
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Good luck with the book mate, it would be so much better as a book cos you can keep it forever, and it dosen't cost anything to look at each time you want to, unless its in a libary
I've been trying to get some support up for a re-run of the Touring car Annual, a combined 2000 and 2001. |
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26 Oct 2001, 20:02 (Ref:166006)
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Matt Neal
I have a freind who is a one best freind of Matt Neal, so I can have contact with him easily.
Hope That Helps. Greg. gcrosecot@aol.com
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27 Oct 2001, 07:53 (Ref:166154)
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I Think a website is the way to go. I have done some research into the 1991 season, and have come up with alot of stuff, but there are still a lot of holes before I can write it up into an article.
Sources for information thus far have been Still Photography, Lawsworld and GEL Motorsport. Here is what I have so far. Can anyone help fill in the missing details? Maybe you have the race reports in Autosport? Maybe you could scan them in. Perhaps you can remember something great from that season that deserves a place in the season review. Anyway, I hope this is a good base to work from, I am in Australia, and am only 15, so I have never seen BTCC, due to lousy TV coverage. Everything I know is off the net. 1991 Esso British Touring Car Championship ========================================================== DETAILS Rounds 13 Title Sponsoe Esso Formula Super Tourers Champion Will Hoy, BMW M3 TV Coverage BBC ========================================================== CHAMPIONSHIP TABLE: 1 Will Hoy BMW M3 155 2 John Cleland Vauxhall Cavalier 132 3 Andy Rouse Toyota Carina 115 4 Steve Soper BMW M3 96 5 Ray Bellm BMW M3 90 ========================================================== CALENDAR/WINNERS Rnd 1 April 1 Silverstone Will Hoy BMW M3 Rnd 2 April 14 Snetterton Will Hoy BMW M3 Rnd 3 April 28 Donington ?? ?? Rnd 4 May 27 Thruxton John Cleland Vauxhall Cavalier Rnd 5 June 8 Silverstone John Cleland Vauxhall Cavalier* Rnd 6 ?? ?? ?? ?? Rnd 7 July 14 Silverstone Steve Soper BMW M3 Rnd 8 July 28 Donington ?? ?? Rnd 9 ?? ?? ?? ?? Rnd 10 ?? ?? ?? ?? Rnd 11 Sept 15 Donington John Cleland Vauxhall Cavalier Rnd 12 Sept 22 Thruxton Steve Soper BMW M3 Rnd 13 October 6 ?? Tim Harvey BMW M3 *Declared Non-Championship ========================================================== DRIVERS Will Hoy Securicor Omega Vic Lee Motorsport BMW M3 Ray Bellm Securicor Omega Vic Lee Motorsport BMW M3 Tim Harvey Team Labatts Vic Lee Motorsport BMW M3 Laurence Bristow Team Labatts Vic Lee Motorsport BMW M3 Keith Odor Nissan Primera Robb Gravett Shell Trakstar Ford Sapphire A Middlehurst Shell Trakstar Ford Sierra Jonathon Palmer Prodrive BMW M3 Christian Danner Prodrive BMW M3 Tim Sugden Prodrive BMW M3 Steve Soper Prodrive BMW M3 Frank Sytner Pyramid Sport BMW M3 Jeff Allam Vauxhall Cavalier John Cleland Vauxhall Cavalier Andy Rouse Toyota Carina D Leslie BMW M3 M Lya BMW M3 Hales Mitsubushi Lancer Wilson Vauxhall Belmont ========================================================== SEASON NOTES Will Hoy topped the timesheets in unofficial testing on March 29 in the Securicor-BMW at Silverstone. Will Hoy broke lap record by 2.5 seconds at Donington. Lapped at average 87.55mph in his BMW. Sierra's defending champions, but no turbo in new rules so expected to struggle. Rnd 5 was scrapped from series due to extreme rain causing red flag. ========================================================== ========================================================== Round 1, Silverstone, 01/04/91 - 25 Laps, Weather - Not Available ----------------------------- Qualifying 1 S Soper BMW M3 2 W Hoy BMW M3 ----------------------------- Race 1 W Hoy BMW M3 27:25.54 2 J Allam Vaux Cavalier + 9.87 3 J Cleland Vaux Cavalier + 13.67 4 A Middlehurst Ford Sierra + 18.34 5 A Rouse Toyota Carina + 18.43 6 R Bellm BMW M3 + 19.33 ----------------------------- Notes William Hoy led away from the front row and was unchallenged for the win. Poleman Steve Soper and former GP star Dr. Jonathon Palmer dropped out of contention early on in the race. ========================================================== ========================================================== Round 2, Snetterton, 14/04/91, Weather - Not Available ----------------------------- Qualifying 1 J Allam Vaux Cavalier ----------------------------- Race 1 W Hoy BMW M3 2 R Bellm BMW M3 + 4.00 3 A Rouse Toyota Carina DNF J Palmer BMW M3 Damage ----------------------------- Notes William Hoy led away from the start to win the race. Jonathon Palmer was involved in two seperate incidents on the opening lap and was forced to retire ========================================================== ========================================================== Round 3, Donington, 14/04/91, Weather - Not Available ----------------------------- Qualifying 1 S Soper BMW M3 1:42.74 2 J Palmer BMW M3 1:43.87 7 W Hoy BMW M3 - ----------------------------- Race RESULTS NOT AVAILABLE ----------------------------- Notes Prodrive front row, Hoy was third fastest, but relegated to 7th on grid for exceeding sound regulations regarding exhaust. No results available ========================================================== ========================================================== Round 4, Thruxton, 27/05/91, Weather - Not Available ----------------------------- Qualifying 1 W Hoy BMW M3 2 J Allam Vaux Cavalier ----------------------------- Race 1 J Cleland Vaux Cavalier 2 J Allam Vaux Cavalier 3 W Hoy BMW M3 ----------------------------- Notes Vauxhall 1-2, with Cleland first, yet Hoy still retains championship lead. ========================================================== ========================================================== Round 5, Silverstone, 08/06/91, Weather - Torrential Rain ----------------------------- Qualifying 1 W Hoy BMW M3 2 J Allam Vaux Cavalier ----------------------------- Race 1 J Cleland Vaux Cavalier 12:00.53 2 J Allam Vaux Cavalier +1.45 3 W Hoy BMW M3 +4.20 4 A Rouse Toyota Carina +7.18 5 R Bellm BMW M3 +8.49 ----------------------------- Notes Torrential rain, race declared after just 10 laps, Cleland declared winner, despite spinning off on the following tour. Win elevates John to first in the championship ahead of Will Hoy in the M3. Tim Sugden was quickest in opening practice. ========================================================== ========================================================== Round 7, Silverstone, 14/07/91 - 15 Laps, Weather - Not Available ----------------------------- Qualifying 1 S Soper BMW M3 2:02.99 2 W Hoy BMW M3 2:03.10 3 T Harvey BMW M3 2:03.57 4 J Cleland Vaux Cavalier 2:03.61 5 J Palmer BMW M3 2:03.78 6 R Bellm BMW M3 2:03.92 ----------------------------- Race 1 S Soper BMW M3 ----------------------------- Notes Steve Soper took the lead on the third lap from Will Hoy, and took the win. Hoy still leads the championship from Allam. ========================================================== ========================================================== Round 11, Donington, 15/09/91 - ?? Laps, Weather - Not Available ----------------------------- Qualifying 1 J Cleland Vaux Cavalier 2 T Sugden BMW M3 3 W Hoy BMW M3 ----------------------------- Race 1 J Cleland Vaux Cavalier ----------------------------- Notes Cleland snatched lead at second corner, held of to win from the BMW's. ========================================================== ========================================================== Round 12, Thruxton, 22/09/91 - ?? Laps, Weather - Not Available ----------------------------- Qualifying NOT AVAILABLE ----------------------------- Race 1 S Soper BMW M3 2 J Cleland Vaux Cavalier ----------------------------- Notes Will Hoy retired, Cleland now 17 points of the championship lead. ========================================================== ========================================================== Round 13, ??, 06/10/91 - ?? Laps, Weather - Not Available ----------------------------- Qualifying 1 A Rouse Toyota Carina 2 J Cleland Vaux Cavalier 3 W Hoy BMW M3 ----------------------------- Race 1 T Harvey BMW M3 5 W Hoy BMW M3 9 J Cleland Vaux Cavalier ----------------------------- Notes Will Hoy champion. For Cleland to win, he had to finish first with Hoy below sixth. ========================================================== Well, that's it. Please post anything extra you may have. Regards, Scott |
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27 Oct 2001, 07:54 (Ref:166155)
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Ooops, double post......
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27 Oct 2001, 10:21 (Ref:166177)
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I'd have to agree and say a website is the way to go. But what if Invincibles wanting to get rich ?
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27 Oct 2001, 18:35 (Ref:166313)
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CALENDAR/WINNERS
Rnd 1 April 1 Silverstone Will Hoy BMW M3 Rnd 2 April 14 Snetterton Will Hoy BMW M3 Rnd 3 April 28 Donington ?? ?? Rnd 4 May 27 Thruxton John Cleland Vauxhall Cavalier Rnd 5 June 8 Silverstone John Cleland Vauxhall Cavalier* Rnd 6 ?? ?? ?? ?? Rnd 7 July 14 Silverstone Steve Soper BMW M3 Rnd 8 July 28 Donington ?? ?? Rnd 9 ?? ?? ?? ?? Rnd 10 ?? ?? ?? ?? Rnd 11 Sept 15 Donington John Cleland Vauxhall Cavalier Rnd 12 Sept 22 Thruxton Steve Soper BMW M3 Rnd 13 October 6 ?? Tim Harvey BMW M3 To answer your blanks, I happened to have watched my BTCC 1991 review video about 3,212 times so I know all of the info. (By the way, isn't this ironic that I'm 13 and know all of this stuff? I manage to surprise myself when I do this.) Round 3 was Donington and Steve Soper won, with Cleland second, and I think Frank Sytner was 3rd and Gary Ayles 4th. Round 6 was Brands Hatch and Tim Sugden won the race after a big battle with Will Hoy. The review video shows very little of this race, but that's all I know of it. Round 9 was at Oulton Park, John Cleland winning, Will Hoy second, Steve Soper 3rd, Andy Rouse 4th, Ray Bellm 5th, and I think Jonathan Palmer 6th. Round 8 was a doubleheader at Donington, with Andy Rouse winning the first race after Will Hoy over-revved the engine on a downshift at the chicane, damaging his engine. I think Steve Soper was 2nd, and John Cleland 3rd, with Palmer 4th. Rouse won the second race too, as a huge accident with John Cleland, Jeff Allam, Nick Whale (who is this guy) and Mark Hales all going off on oil from Whale's car and colliding into it, reducing the field to 10 cars. Steve Soper had a fuel pump problem, and he retired on the 3rd lap I believe. Ray Bellm was 2nd, and Robb Gravett, the defending champion, passing Jonathan Palmer on the last lap to finish 3rd. I'm having a writer's block about round 10. I'm sure when I see it I'll remember it. |
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27 Oct 2001, 20:24 (Ref:166360)
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28 Oct 2001, 18:39 (Ref:166667)
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I'M LOST FOR WORDS.
I have photos of every competitor from 1991. I am a regular visitor to the ten-tenths forum and am listed in the ten ten-tenths directory under BTCC photo's. And people talk about using SUTTON PHOTOGRAPHIC and LAT??? The words money and sense spring to mind.... As I have said many times before.... TRY ASKING....... |
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