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Old 10 Aug 2012, 09:32 (Ref:3118250)   #16
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in the same way that the 'new' Nurburgring is, but just like that circuit it doesn't make it a bad track in comparison to others.
Isn’t that a bit like saying that type A diabetes is not quite as bad as Cancer?

The truth of the matter is that they took a fantastic track and beat the daylights out of it and turned it into a dull, Mickey Mouse, estrogen laden track. Even if they did worse things to other tracks, it is still painful to have witnessed the rape and pillage that was wrought on that track.
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Old 10 Aug 2012, 09:54 (Ref:3118257)   #17
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Kyalami was once a teriffic track , as was Hockenheim ..... now sadly they dont interest me at all .

Agreed Spyderman .
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Old 10 Aug 2012, 17:29 (Ref:3118410)   #18
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Kyalami was once a teriffic track , as was Hockenheim ..... now sadly they dont interest me at all .

Agreed Spyderman .
What f***** me off most about Hockenheim was how they tore it all up under some dubious pretext. That track is an utter snoozefest now, the stadium section was never the section most viewers tuned in to see.

I'm not a football fan but "you don't know what you're doing" would seem a fitting anthem for Tilke the FIA and their 'elf and safety boys.
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Old 10 Aug 2012, 17:50 (Ref:3118414)   #19
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No, Tilke did NOT get to Kyalami. Kaylami had some similar issues to Riverside, but at Kyalami, they at least still had some land to reconstitute a track on once the developers did their thing.

Kyalami is still the best track in South Africa, or in any of the surrounding countries, to my knowledge, And there still is a track there, unlike Riverside or Oran Park. And if it isn't completely gone already, Jacarepagua probably will be pretty soon.

(Would you guys prefer an African sportscar race on that circuit in Marrakech?)

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Old 10 Aug 2012, 17:55 (Ref:3118415)   #20
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What f***** me off most about Hockenheim was how they tore it all up under some dubious pretext. That track is an utter snoozefest now, the stadium section was never the section most viewers tuned in to see.

I'm not a football fan but "you don't know what you're doing" would seem a fitting anthem for Tilke the FIA and their 'elf and safety boys.
What's sad and crazy about what they did to Hockenheim is that one of the main reasons they redeveloped it was to make the track better for the spectators. Most of the overtaking happened in the forest, which also had it's own problems in terms of spectator access, and there were only 45 laps as opposed to now 67 at the Hockenheim Go-Kart Arena. Of course, there are a hell of a lot more tv viewers than spectators but also there were other reasons such as safety and security and other competition, especially from the Lausitzring.

What's crazy about it is that the idiots designed the new circuit (on request from FOM officials) with spectators and fans in mind. In 2000 on the old layout over 120,000 spectators attended the German Grand Prix, in 2002 for the first layout on the new "improved" (according to Bernie's freak show) 95,000 spectators attended. In 2005 this increased to 110,000, so not bad. However, for the 2008 race only 78,000 attended, in 2010 65,000 and this year a sparse crowd of 62,000. So despite designing the new track to be "better for spectators" nobody shows up. Even with a reigning German world champion, Michael Schumacher, Mercedes Factory team and plenty of German drivers.
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Old 10 Aug 2012, 18:26 (Ref:3118421)   #21
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My opinion is that the Hockenheim track may no longer been up to F1 standards. But surely they could have kept the Long Layout for Endurance/GT/Touring Car Racing?

I mean if you can race an R18 at Le Sarthe then why not the old Hockenheim configuration? I think that if the WEC had existed back then they may have kept it for championships like that, but due to the dodgy state of the Prototype racing scene at that time it may not have been viable to do so. But then again they still had FIA GT!

Now I am drooling over a BES race at old Hockenheim!

And now maybe time to get back on-topic!
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But surely they could have kept the Long Layout for Endurance/GT/Touring Car Racing?
Nope, they tore up the tarmac and 'gave it back to nature".....
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I know they did but I think there was still use for it! And that photograph brings tears to my eyes; Terrible!
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Just watched the Derek Bell in-car footage of the old Kyalami. Great stuff.
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Someone needs to buy it back and redo it in it's full glory! It's be spectacular to see the LMP's around there.
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Just watched the Derek Bell in-car footage of the old Kyalami. Great stuff.
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Indeed!

And Bell's laps at the old Fuji (no banking, but no chicanes either) is just hair-raising, because you know it's going to hurt if you fly off the outside, especially in that 300R corner.

As to Hockenheim, since they knocked down more trees to build the current GP layout, I think they were required to take out the old loop through the forest to redress the impact of the new works.
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Theres a track in Dakar which is FIA approved, might be a better fit than those in South Africa: http://www.circuitdedakar.com/circui...ar-senegal.php
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