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Old 15 Oct 2017, 17:20 (Ref:3774342)   #61
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I forgot that although the stream is hosted by Blancpain, we have an American TV director. So rather than watch the race, let's have a montage of hills around the area.

Whilst that was happening we appear to have already a lost #99 GT4 Aston. No yellow flags on display, oddly.

Edit: FCY.
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 17:30 (Ref:3774343)   #62
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Brilliant restart by Parente, up to second. Land were checking out before the FCY.
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 17:51 (Ref:3774344)   #63
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anybody found a non CBS Sports US stream yet?
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 17:57 (Ref:3774345)   #64
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anybody found a non CBS Sports US stream yet?
As I'm not in the US I don't know if this works or not, or if it's related to CBS -

http://www.intercontinentalgtchallenge.com/live
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 19:39 (Ref:3774356)   #65
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They don't work in U.S. Also, motortrendondemand not seeming to work either.
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 22:34 (Ref:3774380)   #66
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They don't work in U.S. Also, motortrendondemand not seeming to work either.
Sarcastic applause to SRO and PWC for giving us a race that nobody is watching!

Thankfully this will not be a problem with the 24 hours of COTA Creventic event which looks like is going to be a much better race.
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Old 16 Oct 2017, 00:24 (Ref:3774391)   #67
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Old 16 Oct 2017, 03:05 (Ref:3774415)   #68
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They don't work in U.S. Also, motortrendondemand not seeming to work either.
Motortrend worked fine for me. They had the whole race start to finish.
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Old 16 Oct 2017, 03:20 (Ref:3774418)   #69
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Congrats to Magnus Racing! What a victory! Those Audi's were certainly the class of the field today.
So........ What's everybody's view on the way Land and WRT gamed the system on the last pitstop? Clever exploitation of a mistake in the SRO rulebook....Or a blatant disregard for the spirit of the event that showed a lack of respect for their fellow competitors and for us fans. Obviously the ideal solution would be proper pitstops without a minimum time, but sadly that is not viable for many of the teams.
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Old 16 Oct 2017, 05:58 (Ref:3774429)   #70
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I was here camping, what, exactly did they do?

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Old 16 Oct 2017, 08:02 (Ref:3774434)   #71
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They chose to not meet the minimum pit stop time in the final pit stop, cutting it short by about 30-35 seconds. The drive through penalty took 25 seconds. The commentators reckoned they saved around 14 seconds, maybe closer to 10 when you take into account the pit exit.

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Congrats to Magnus Racing! What a victory! Those Audi's were certainly the class of the field today.
So........ What's everybody's view on the way Land and WRT gamed the system on the last pitstop? Clever exploitation of a mistake in the SRO rulebook....Or a blatant disregard for the spirit of the event that showed a lack of respect for their fellow competitors and for us fans. Obviously the ideal solution would be proper pitstops without a minimum time, but sadly that is not viable for many of the teams.
It was just clever strategy. They worked out the fastest way to the end of the race, which is what the engineers are paid to do.

SRO created this problem by having over complex pit regulations. They themselves have used it to penalise teams that appear to have done nothing wrong before. So it was only a matter of time until a team used it the other way. SROs attempt to make simple rules has quite often made them hard to understand and balance. It's something WRT have complained about in Blancpain.

Not to excuse what the teams did - but is it not a bit silly that we're looking at the IGTC being marketing as a sort of World Championship, and we have minimum pit stop times? For PWC and the Pro/Am and Am classes in Blancpain sure, but for the (apparently) top GT racing series in the world?

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Old 16 Oct 2017, 17:59 (Ref:3774530)   #72
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I love that there were crew members standing on the hot side of the pit wall waiting for their car to come to a stop, instead of being behind the wall.

Simply because the SRO didn't want to change a rule because most American tracks have pit walls.
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Also, if you think those pit stops are nuts, you will have coronary if you ever watch a Creventic race (which is streamed right on their site and no voodoo dance you got to do to get it). No minimum pit time but no refueling in the pits. You got to leave pit road and go to the gas pumps. Then when you recover from that coronary, you'll have another one because they don't use a dry break, just a regular old nozzle like you do in your street car. Plus if your car takes X amount of liters and you pump more than that into the tank you are in trouble. There's a guy standing there with a clip board and writes down the car number and how many liters you pumped. Plus under a FCY or Code 60, only allowed to pump in half the amount of fuel. Best part is, how many liters you pumped, that's all you pay for.

What also is crazy, 4 guys are allowed to work on the car but you must wear a yellow safety jacket. No firesuit and no helmet required.
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Also, if you think those pit stops are nuts, you will have coronary if you ever watch a Creventic race (which is streamed right on their site and no voodoo dance you got to do to get it). No minimum pit time but no refueling in the pits. You got to leave pit road and go to the gas pumps. Then when you recover from that coronary, you'll have another one because they don't use a dry break, just a regular old nozzle like you do in your street car. Plus if your car takes X amount of liters and you pump more than that into the tank you are in trouble. There's a guy standing there with a clip board and writes down the car number and how many liters you pumped. Plus under a FCY or Code 60, only allowed to pump in half the amount of fuel. Best part is, how many liters you pumped, that's all you pay for.

What also is crazy, 4 guys are allowed to work on the car but you must wear a yellow safety jacket. No firesuit and no helmet required.
Can you pay with your credit card or is it all cash?!

The no fire suit rule in pitlane could be explained because there's no refueling going on but the no helmets??? Crazy indeed, especially with 50-60 cars participating.
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Old 16 Oct 2017, 22:37 (Ref:3774566)   #75
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The no fire suit rule in pitlane could be explained because there's no refueling going on but the no helmets??? Crazy indeed, especially with 50-60 cars participating
You have to remember, it wasn't that long ago that helmets were required in the pits. 2013 was the first year in America for a non NASCAR race that it was required. Firesuits were not required until 2004 for the whole crew and that was just the suit. 1991 was the first year for a pit lane speed limit and that was because of NASCAR. I did many pit stops where cars were blowing past me at 100+ mph while I was doing a pad or tire change. Even for two years IMSA had the brilliant idea of grounding cars before fueling. Even though I never remember, ever a static electric fire starting but for some reason we needed it and then it was dropped.

Years ago I always wore a bandanna around my face with a headsock over it for a tire change because back then, asbestos brake pads were banned for street cars but still used in racing. Back then pads never lasted like they do today thus it was a cloud of black soot when you hit the air gun.

A few years ago, I calculated that the amount of pit stops that they do in the top three series in NASCAR was around 4X what every other series I could think of on the planet. They do it about as wrong as can be (by sportscar standards) and you'd think there would be at least 10 dead crew and 50 fires per year. Somehow, they can do it fast, with 5 lug wheels, a floor jack and two 11 gallon dump cans along with 30-35 other cars doing the same thing at the same time. Yet in sportscar racing, we are so formal with a bazillion rules and still manage to screw it up.
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