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View Poll Results: Will Lada be in the WTCC in 2008?
Yes! (Send for my psychiatrist!) 1 2.94%
No! (I'm sane) 14 41.18%
It's not an ordinary rabbit, it's a killer! 7 20.59%
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy! 6 17.65%
I'm not sure - why am I bothering to vote then? oh, what's the point in anything - I'm so depressed 6 17.65%
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Old 26 Apr 2008, 11:06 (Ref:2187307)   #101
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I keep looking at those pics and trying to figure out what's wrong - I think its the wheels. They don't seem to fit in the wheelarches, almost as if they've been stuck on as an afterthought (the wheelarches that is). Looks like it has the aerodynamic quality of a brick, but its nice to see variety.

If its not too disastrous, with any luck Lada might come back in a full capacity with Renault's help.
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Old 26 Apr 2008, 11:22 (Ref:2187319)   #102
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If its not too disastrous, with any luck Lada might come back in a full capacity with Renault's help.
That'd surprise me considering Lada is owned by GM
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Old 26 Apr 2008, 12:43 (Ref:2187371)   #103
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I keep looking at those pics and trying to figure out what's wrong - I think its the wheels. They don't seem to fit in the wheelarches
I think the second picture is deceptive. The car is obviously braking hard for a tight right hand corner. The large gap between the wheels and the arches is a result of body-roll. From the first picture the wheels look exactly as I'd expect.

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It's not a pretty car, I'll give you that, but it doesn't look worse than any other 3-box saloon.
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Old 26 Apr 2008, 12:47 (Ref:2187375)   #104
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Wasn't Colin Turkington unable to score points at Brands last year due to the gearbox?
exactly... that was the handicap!!

but you still remember his car/sponsors, don't you??

If people want to try new cars, within reason, the WTCC folks would like to let them.. as long as it doesn't f*ck up the Championship...
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Old 26 Apr 2008, 12:52 (Ref:2187378)   #105
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With an inexperienced team and driver combo, the Lada is not likely to rock the establishment, is it?

Imagine it run by a team with strong engineering (WSR, n.technology, RML) and top flight drivers aboard and then we'd have some idea of where it might REALLY get to...

However, it seems to have got further than the Briliance project...

Looking forward to brushing up my Russian in Valencia...
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Old 26 Apr 2008, 13:35 (Ref:2187429)   #106
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Don't understand Van Lagen Martin, he's earned his merits and is considered to be a very good allround driver, comparable with the likes of Jeroen Bleekemolen for example.
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Old 26 Apr 2008, 14:32 (Ref:2187457)   #107
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stedevil has a lot of promise if they can keep it on the circuit!
Hey, if the salary is right, I'm sure he can survive, and even enjoy, trying to beat out a few privateer BMWs while providing a major boost to the Russian teams efforts/progress.
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Old 26 Apr 2008, 15:52 (Ref:2187510)   #108
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That'd surprise me considering Lada is owned by GM
Not true. Lada isn't and has never been owned by GM. AvtoVAZ and GM however have a joint company GM-AvtoVAZ that makes 2nd generation Niva offroader as Chevy Niva and old Opel Astra as Chevy Viva.

Renault bought about one third of AvtoVAZ recently.
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Old 26 Apr 2008, 16:02 (Ref:2187516)   #109
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Not true. Lada isn't and has never been owned by GM. AvtoVAZ and GM however have a joint company GM-AvtoVAZ that makes 2nd generation Niva offroader as Chevy Niva and old Opel Astra as Chevy Viva.
So that explains the Vauxhall engine, right?

E : Never underestimate Jaap van Laagen. Whilst his team-mate is a blatant pay driver, JvL could get some good results ...
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Old 26 Apr 2008, 16:08 (Ref:2187521)   #110
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Not true. Lada isn't and has never been owned by GM. AvtoVAZ and GM however have a joint company GM-AvtoVAZ that makes 2nd generation Niva offroader as Chevy Niva and old Opel Astra as Chevy Viva.

Renault bought about one third of AvtoVAZ recently.
Ah, I stand corrected. I thought GM had bought into Lada bigtime, guess I got confused on the who owns who in carland

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E : Never underestimate Jaap van Laagen. Whilst his team-mate is a blatant pay driver, JvL could get some good results ...
Pay driver, thats quite a term for the owner and sole financer of the team
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Old 26 Apr 2008, 16:22 (Ref:2187532)   #111
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I think a big problem with finding any good Russian drivers comes from the fact that they don't really have many decent tracks where they can develop much above karting. Why we don't see them in WRC I can't explain though, because they get daily off-road practice bumping around on their normal roads.
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Old 26 Apr 2008, 16:53 (Ref:2187543)   #112
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We'll soon see - I hope they aren't far off the pace, but even if the car had promise, I wouldn't imagine Russian Bears are exactly a crack outfit anyway.

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Old 26 Apr 2008, 17:20 (Ref:2187551)   #113
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they where ment to be at the valencia test but they never showed up any ideas ???

no news on them being there so i doubt they will be at valencia maybe later in the year ?

there not as bad of an outfit as you think got some good people working there.
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Old 26 Apr 2008, 17:27 (Ref:2187555)   #114
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Er, they did do a test at Zandvoort recently, so I think they will be there at Valencia
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Old 26 Apr 2008, 22:43 (Ref:2187720)   #115
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They are based in Holland, so Zandvoort was a logical track for the cars first outing. Although Assen is even closer to their homebase/
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Old 27 Apr 2008, 19:47 (Ref:2188505)   #116
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Video of the Lada testing at Zandvoort:

http://www.touringcartimes.com/news.php?id=2220
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Old 27 Apr 2008, 22:37 (Ref:2188692)   #117
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Don't know what to say really . It's one of the ugliest S2000 cars so far but that kind of makes it look bad ass :P . It's a fun element in WTCC 2008, that's all. I always have a soft spot to support underdogs, so this will be fun .
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Old 28 Apr 2008, 01:36 (Ref:2188752)   #118
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I think a big problem with finding any good Russian drivers comes from the fact that they don't really have many decent tracks where they can develop much above karting.
Vitaly Petrov is former russian Lada Cup and F1600 champion and is doing very well in international level - finished third in GP2 Asia, ahead of many F1 test drivers.
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Old 28 Apr 2008, 04:20 (Ref:2188805)   #119
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Well the car made it out onto the track for testing so its a start.
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So we can name 1 guy out of 160million livling in the greatest country on the globe, that sort of proves the point I was trying to make, no?

An interesting fact about him is also that he was born in Vyborg, 38km from todays Finnish border in an area that was latest annexed by the Russians in 1944. So a patriotic Finn might call him Karelian/Finnish, a country whose 5million inhabitants somehow manage to litter the world of motorsports with great drivers.
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Old 28 Apr 2008, 08:31 (Ref:2188933)   #121
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Don't know what to say really . It's one of the ugliest S2000 cars so far but that kind of makes it look bad ass :P . It's a fun element in WTCC 2008, that's all. I always have a soft spot to support underdogs, so this will be fun .
It doesn't look that shabby. By far and away better looking than that pig of a Seat they have.

I agree on the underdog factor, tho. And variety is always good.
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Although Assen is even closer to their homebase/
Zandvoort for comparing times with wtcc Times.
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Old 28 Apr 2008, 09:57 (Ref:2188995)   #123
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So we can name 1 guy out of 160million livling in the greatest country on the globe, that sort of proves the point I was trying to make, no?
There are about ten or more quick russians. But i don't think they want to drive new Lada ("Devil drive Lada" isn't it? ).
Autosport is expensive thing, and russian powers don't want to spend their money such way - see history of GP Russia. Also autosport is not so popular as many traditional kind of activities.
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Old 28 Apr 2008, 10:03 (Ref:2189000)   #124
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An interesting fact about him is also that he was born in Vyborg, 38km from todays Finnish border in an area that was latest annexed by the Russians in 1944. So a patriotic Finn might call him Karelian/Finnish, a country whose 5million inhabitants somehow manage to litter the world of motorsports with great drivers.
Why patriotic Russians don't call finnish driver's compatriot's? Finland was russian province in 1811-1917. Petrov is ethnic russian.
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Autosport is expensive thing, and russian powers don't want to spend their money such way...
Which includes not building decent tracks to race on in Russia. We are saying the same thing, no?

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Why patriotic Russians don't call finnish driver's compatriot's? Finland was russian province in 1811-1917.
And until 1809 it was a Swedish province since almost medieval times. Since the Finns "love" of the Swedish is almost as big as the one they have for Russians, I think it's safe to assume they didn't think they belonged to neither of the ruling countries. Also a national treasure in Finland is the bloodstanined shirt of a Russian Tsar assassinated in Helsinki. Maybe that explains why Russians don't think of Finns as compatriots?


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Ethnic Russian or Ethnic Karelian?

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