Please Identify this Curve

CharlesF · 7 Nov 2003, 20:38 (Ref:776295)

Dear Forum Readers,

I am researching the 1982 Italian Grand Prix run at Monza and won by Rene Arnoux that year. I found this old photo of a turn at Monza that year and was wondering if anybody could discern which turn it is.

Thanks,

Charles Fleming

CharlesF · 7 Nov 2003, 21:02 (Ref:776321)

I think this might be the Parabolica.

Hugewally · 7 Nov 2003, 21:27 (Ref:776337)

I'll go with either Biassono, but probably Lesmo....

martin

Jeremy Jackson · 7 Nov 2003, 21:48 (Ref:776345)

Looks like Lesmo to me too.

jase · 7 Nov 2003, 21:58 (Ref:776350)

I'd agree, looks like the 2nd part of Lesmo

Kojima_KE007 · 7 Nov 2003, 22:19 (Ref:776360)

I think it's the first Lesmo as the second lesmo has much bigger run-off area.

Vitesse · 7 Nov 2003, 22:45 (Ref:776382)

First Lesmo

gttouring · 8 Nov 2003, 02:38 (Ref:776525)

Curva grande?

The Zuschauer · 8 Nov 2003, 02:58 (Ref:776530)

I definitely agree with Curva Grande. Parabolica had much more run off room than that, and it's way too fast to be either Lesmo.

The Zuschauer · 8 Nov 2003, 03:00 (Ref:776531)

Also, the rubber is laid down very gently, which suggests a fast corner. If it were either Lesmo, there'd be rubber at mid corner where they all started accelerating hard.

Then again, I could be completely wrong

ascarracinguk · 8 Nov 2003, 03:04 (Ref:776534)

banking at brooklands?....only jokin...definately lesmo

Andrew Kitson · 8 Nov 2003, 09:37 (Ref:776714)

Its definitely the second Lesmo, taken from the grandstand that recently came down to create a bigger run-off.

gi_gav · 9 Nov 2003, 23:38 (Ref:778297)

I'd agree with second Lesmo

ascarracinguk · 10 Nov 2003, 00:42 (Ref:778328)

your only agreeing cos everyone else is agreeing lol

CharlesF · 10 Nov 2003, 00:54 (Ref:778332)

As we say here in the SE US,

Dear Y'all,

I now agreee it is the second Lssmo. Thanks to Andy for putting the point on the pencil, and for everybody else for shapening it.

So, who else in the forum would be willing and able to help me define the 1982 Monza. What did the circuit look like? Do you have shots of the turns? I have searched high and low and found little. Any help appreciated.

gi_gav · 10 Nov 2003, 10:13 (Ref:778645)

actually, first point of reference was GPL - that game has an awful lot to answer for!

CharlesF · 10 Nov 2003, 12:45 (Ref:778751)

The second Lesmo as modeled in Grand Prix Legends does have the grand stand, which apparently has since been torn down, but no runoff area.

**Aysedasi** · 10 Nov 2003, 13:39 (Ref:778820)

Quote:

Originally posted by gi_gav
actually, first point of reference was GPL - that game has an awful lot to answer for!

And if anyone's wondering what gi_gav is talking about, get on over to Armchair Enthusiast and join the rest of us as we regularly drive around the 1967 Monza - including the Lesmos, one of which this undoubtedly is.......

ss_collins · 10 Nov 2003, 18:00 (Ref:779049)

Indeed I'm using GPL to research spa at the minute - I say research its more like waste time instead of researching

**Adam43** · 10 Nov 2003, 18:21 (Ref:779064)

I've used GPL to compare my photos with Rouen and old Spa! Great stuff.

gi_gav · 10 Nov 2003, 18:54 (Ref:779089)

Quote:

Originally posted by ss_collins
Indeed I'm using GPL to research spa at the minute - I say research its more like waste time instead of researching

GPL is never a waste of time!

**Aysedasi** · 11 Nov 2003, 13:59 (Ref:779851)

Waste of time?

Waste of time!

It's OK, I've calmed down now.........

Off to practice for this evening's Ten Tenths Friendly Racing League event at Rouen.....

(Not really, I'm still at work.....

)

stevetav · 30 Dec 2003, 05:10 (Ref:823248)

...my first post,

...and im sure this is the FIRST lesmo......:-)

thebear · 30 Dec 2003, 19:00 (Ref:823762)

Quote:

Originally posted by CharlesF
Dear Forum Readers,I am researching the 1982 Italian Grand Prix run at Monza and won by Rene Arnoux that year

For some "History", see: http://www.grandprix.com/gpe/cir-050.html

Jonny Apex · 2 Jan 2004, 14:31 (Ref:825731)

It is definitely the second Lesmo: back then it had very little run-off (which is what made it so awesome) and is the same corner where, on the exit in the 1981 GP, John Watson had his massive crash that split his McLaren in half. It's from the inside of this very corner that I last saw - in the flesh - Ayrton Senna qualify for a GP, in his McLaren in 1992 (a race he was to win). That memory will stay with me forever.

Back to the picture, Curve Grande, Lesmo 1 and Parabolica had greater run-offs than that in this image (wish I could tell who's in that Ferrari - Tambay or Andretti - but can't make out the number or the helmet colour. Andretti, of course, qualified on pole on his comeback to F1 with Ferrari, much to the tifosi's delight. Also to their delight was Arnoux's victory for, although he drove for arch rivals Renault, he had just signed for the Scuderia for the 1983 season).

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