[Driver] 2018 F1 silly season.

[ScotsBrutesFan]

I doubt that Renault would have confirmed him for the test unless they knew for certain he could beat the time required for the extraction test.

Presumably he has been privately timed getting out of the car that he has been testing. I'm guessing though, that he will have to do it in front of an FIA delegate ahead of any "sanctioned test" to be official. Whether he is in Hungary over the weekend, or before the test begins, it will be done behind a closed garage door.

[Adam43]

Is this actually an issue? His injuries were something that might effect this, but if he's recovered from those particular injuries enough to drive the thing then I recon he can get in and out. Maybe I've misunderstood what his injuries were?

[BSchneiderFan]

Well, the major injuries were to his right arm, which he now carries at a funny angle, and he uses his left hand to write and to operate paddle shifts (I don't know if he was originally a leftie). So any weakness in one arm could affect his ability to extract himself. But Renault must surely have got him to practise, otherwise what's the point in testing him?

[spider]

I've read he's already passed the extraction tests. There's no road blocks now - purely commercial, I'm sure of it.

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

Because, as has been mentioned before, the rules clearly state that points are NOT the ONLY way to receive a license. They can decide he has met their criteria, an unpublished document, and thus is eligible to race.

Like I mentioned above, it is a pedantic question. Yes, I understand there are options beyond the point system. My question was which other method? I am guessing it is 5.1.7(c) from the FIA International Sporting Code Appendix L. To paraphrase... If you had super license more than three years ago, the FIA can look at your situation, make a judgement call and give you one (or not).

Richard

[Last2LiftOff]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Is this actually an issue?

Apparently. Some 3 or 4 pages worth.

[GTRMagic]

Sauber-Honda Deal Off

[F1Guy]

Looks like Charles Leclerc is inline for a full time drive at Sauber in 2018(??)

[BSchneiderFan]

With 2018-spec Ferrari engines?

[Formulahistory]

I am not sure if there will be a Ferrari junior driver in the 2nd Sauber alongside Ericsson because in the past it was not the case very often...

[BSchneiderFan]

Reading between the lines, taking a Honda protegé (or not) seems to have been one of the factors which caused the original deal to founder.

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by Formulahistory

I am not sure if there will be a Ferrari junior driver in the 2nd Sauber alongside Ericsson because in the past it was not the case very often...

more of a yes and no type situation imo.

Perez was before he left the program and Giovinazzi for a bit this year.

Massa also but they didnt really have a defined junior program at the time so he only half counts. but both current Ferrari had early stints at Sauber but thats more coincidence really.

i think there is a strong possibility we may see it again...so i guess i would ask who is higher up in the order Giovinazzi or Leclerc?

PW to FI and Perez to Renault then?

[Nikki Katz]

Leclerc certainly seems ready for f1 and I think would do well in a sauber. I suspect he's jumped giovanazzi in the queue but I wouldn't want to write him off just for a couple of silly incidents.

[chunterer]

Some scandalous rumour in the paddock at Silverstone today that Williams will have Button and Honda power next year! 😲

Back to sensibility... there could be vacancies at Ferrari, Renault, Williams, STR, Sauber and Force One at the end of the year...

[F1Guy]

So Leclerc has been disqualified from quali in Hungary due to an illegal car. This is not good for his reputation, and as the irregularity is handling and performance related, it has put a little bit of doubt in my mind as to his dominating performances so far being 100% fair and square.

Has Prema had assistance from Ferrari on Leclerc's car? It does smell of Ferrari involved somewhere.

[peebee2]

Would be in both cars as Fuoco is Ferrari jr too. Just he's not quick enough to be checked...

[F1Guy]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

The latest news from pitlane suggesting McLaren have had another meeting with Renault regarding an engine supply deal. The meeting at Silverstone was a lengthy one apparently.

Also, Honda have approached Toro Rosso regarding a partnership for 2018. In the wake of Fred Vasseur confirming Sauber are renegotiating the Honda supply deal, and the potential divorce from McLaren, Honda are looking for a team to supply engines to for next year. Or face leaving F1.

A bit more on this from Hungary. Toro Rosso could end up being the factory Honda team in 2018 - giving up their Renault engine supply to McLaren. It looks like a engine supply swap could be on the cards.

Currently, the Renault PU is better (and improving) than the Honda engine. Will STR give up the Renault for the Honda?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

A bit more on this from Hungary. Toro Rosso could end up being the factory Honda team in 2018 - giving up their Renault engine supply to McLaren. It looks like a engine supply swap could be on the cards.

Currently, the Renault PU is better (and improving) than the Honda engine. Will STR give up the Renault for the Honda?

Presumably the free engines, and potential Honda financial support, added to the existing Red Bull backing, would strengthen the technical position of Scuderia Toro Rosso too.

If only they had a different pilot alongside Mr Sainz to kick the development process along.

[Adam43]

And if Honda does come good then it's an easy switch into the main team.

It's all speculation at the moment though.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

Kubica already qualifies for a superlicence under the sub reg's of the sporting code. He doesn't need to do anything else. Adding to this, Kubica has already passed the mandatory FiA driver extraction tests.

Originally Posted by chunterer

He hasn't passed the extraction test yet as far as I understand it?

Originally Posted by ScotsBrutesFan

I doubt that Renault would have confirmed him for the test unless they knew for certain he could beat the time required for the extraction test.

Presumably he has been privately timed getting out of the car that he has been testing. I'm guessing though, that he will have to do it in front of an FIA delegate ahead of any "sanctioned test" to be official. Whether he is in Hungary over the weekend, or before the test begins, it will be done behind a closed garage door.

Originally Posted by spider

I've read he's already passed the extraction tests. There's no road blocks now - purely commercial, I'm sure of it.

Extraction test has now been passed in front of FIA official at Budapest: Go Robert!!

[S griffin]

What a story to come back from this setback and drive a modern F1 car at speed

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Extraction test has now been passed in front of FIA official at Budapest: Go Robert!!

So Kubica has shown he can get out of the Renault cockpit within the allotted time. Will Renault manage to do the same to Palmer.

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

So Kubica has shown he can get out of the Renault cockpit within the allotted time. Will Renault manage to do the same to Palmer.

nice turn of phrase there!

off topic question though...why is the self extraction test so important?

if a driver is injured in their car then surely they wont be able to get out on their own anyways.

and when the driver is uninjured (just a regular off) surely the FIA/Marshal response should be exactly the same as if it was a more serious incident...get to the driver and car as quickly as possible to assess and aid with the situation.

so really how important is it to hit this 5sec benchmark in a controlled setting?

anyways, im glad he passed but would have been quite irritated if this was the reason he couldn't pursue a comeback.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

so really how important is it to hit this 5sec benchmark in a controlled setting?

It's not an accident procedure, but part of the protection protocol for F1 drivers in the event of fire. Which could happen regardless of whether the vehicle had had an impact or not.

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

It's not an accident procedure, but part of the protection protocol for F1 drivers in the event of fire. Which could happen regardless of whether the vehicle had had an impact or not.

fair fair...even with no refueling we have seen a few engine fires in the last couple of years so a legitimate concern. thanks for the answer.