Pierre Gasly/the pope at Renault?

[peebee2]

Heard a rumour suggesting Gasly in at Renault from next GP...

[cds_uk]

Blimey, that is a bit left field!!!

[djinvicta]

Yes. Ted Gravitz on Sky F1 let slip he had heard the rumour...

[BSchneiderFan]

Why would Renault give the opportunity to a Red Bull junior?

[ECW Dan Selby]

Well, Gasly come out and said in an interview he heard he'd be replacing Kvyat for Singapore!

Hmm... Renault perhaps seems more feasible. Helmut strongly denied replacing Kvyat and even went as far as to say that he'll be in that seat for the remainder of the season.

Selby

[BSchneiderFan]

I'm more prepared to believe it was Gasly shooting his mouth off than a realistic prospect of his replacing Magnussen or Palmer.

[newlaprecord]

Marko said they will decide mid-October on the 2nd STR seat. That would suggest 3 more races for Kvyat to prove his worth. SIN-MAL-JAP. The Malay race Gasly anyway has to do, to try and cement his GP2 title...then comes Japan as a back-to-back so not very ideal for a rookie to jump in.

I would guess Gasly to drive from US onwards, would Kvyat still drive so unispired (which he will I believe)

[Mekola]

Who will actually be replaced by Gasly? Palmer or... Kvyat?

[chunterer]

Neither at this stage.

I think more likely he will start 2017 as official reserve for STR...

[Razzzor]

I think Gasly still has to prove himself just as much as Kyvat. Gasly has been in Gp2 for two years and already his teammate has more wins and sits only what 10 points behind him? If Gasly loses the title to a much less experienced rookie teammate, how the hell do RB move him up to F1 to replace Kyvat?

However imo for Kyvat it's too late. He couldn't cope with Ricciardo, he can't cope with Sainz Jr. He's had enough chances to prove himself and failed, time to go. He's just another Kovalainen.

But if Gasly is the only driver in the RB programme ready to step up to F1, then their pool is pretty weak. There's better drivers out there. Maybe RB should look outside their guys. Ghiotto and Rowland have been doing well in mid field teams.

[Hawkwood]

Originally Posted by Razzzor

But if Gasly is the only driver in the RB programme ready to step up to F1, then their pool is pretty weak. There's better drivers out there. Maybe RB should look outside their guys. Ghiotto and Rowland have been doing well in mid field teams.

Giovanazzi is another.
Rough around the edges sure, but he's got talent to spare it seems!

[S griffin]

Gasly is one who can't afford to miss a chance in F1, I only hope he can find seat whether it's for the remainder of the season or next season

[BSchneiderFan]

Red Bull won't bring in non-Red Bull juniors, because it would make a nonsense of their current scheme. I think the second Toro Rosso seat next to Sainz for next year is a straight fight between Kvyat and Gasly, and at the moment I think Gasly has the upper hand. If he wins GP2, that's a decent claim for promotion.

[bella]

the calibre of some of the drivers red bull drop versus the struggle that some of their chosen ones have in performing really makes you wonder sometimes.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by bella

the calibre of some of the drivers red bull drop versus the struggle that some of their chosen ones have in performing really makes you wonder sometimes.

To me the only driver that they have persisted with beyond his use by date is Kvyat. The rest of the calls have been correct, the existing seat holder has been replaced with someone better, good calls by Helmut Marko.

Where do you see errors Bella?

I take it that Kvyat is being kept because he helps them sell drinks in Russia??

[bella]

i'm thinking of the younger guys who get dropped before they've had a chance to develop into the driver that red bull believed they could be in the first place, to be honest. they've got a history of going "we think you're going to be great, but you're going to need to be great in our timeframe not yours". human development doesn't work like that - you end up with guys like kvyat.

not sure about them keeping him for commercial reasons. he's having a meltdown, and on the other side of the meltdown is going to be a driver who is better, faster and stronger. it's up to daniil to sort himself out and make lemonade out of lemons (scuse the cliche) before the season is up to show that he's worth their continued support, and to make sure he's on a strong footing for a future career away from red bull. he's a very smart kid, he's capable of resolving this but he's young so maybe it's going to take more time than he's got.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by wnut

To me the only driver that they have persisted with beyond his use by date is Kvyat. The rest of the calls have been correct, the existing seat holder has been replaced with someone better, good calls by Helmut Marko.

Where do you see errors Bella?

I take it that Kvyat is being kept because he helps them sell drinks in Russia??

Mr Bourdais? Mr Buemi? Mr Speed?

[bella]

in fairness, all those examples were more than prepared for f1 in comparison to some of the guys they chuck in there now. and i think *anyone* would have binned off scott speed

[BSchneiderFan]

It was a shame Bourdais couldn't make F1 work for him. You don't win Champ Car four times in a row by being slow. But somehow he never clicked with F1.

[Mekola]

Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

It was a shame Bourdais couldn't make F1 work for him. You don't win Champ Car four times in a row by being slow. But somehow he never clicked with F1.

#2 driver destiny could explain that...

[chunterer]

Alguersuari and JEV were both guys more than deserving of a non Red Bull F1 career. They got well shafted having proven thenselves plenty capable.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Mr Bourdais? Mr Buemi? Mr Speed?

Mr Speed was at STR in 2006 and 2007. He was dominated by Liuzzi, and slagged STR off in the Media, he also reportedly tried to slap Franz Tost in the head. He was replaced in Hungary by Sebastian Vettel. So you would have to conclude that STR had done the right thing and replaced the incumbent with a more talented and keen youngster.

Liuzzi was replaced by Bourdais in 2008, having had the seat for 2006 and 2007.

Bourdais was to be replaced by Loeb in 2009 after struggling against Vettel in 2008 and 2009. The FIA refused to grant Loeb a super-licence; a massive pity; and Alguersuari was installed in the seat.

STR ran Alguersuari and Buemi in 2010 and 2011, Vettel having been promoted to RBR.
Neither Alguersuari or Buemi were particularly impressive during this time.

They were replaced by Ricciardo and Vergne for 2012 and 2013.

2014 had Vergne and Kvyat after Ricciardo was promoted to RBR.

2015 Kvyat was promoted to RBR and Vergne was dropped after 3 seasons of losing out to his team mates, giving Verstappen and Sainz jnr. a chance, which would be a good decision in most peoples books.

2016 Kvyat was struggling and dropped back to STR, Verstappen immediately rewarding the decision with a victory in Spain.


Red Bull seems to give its graduates a 2 year window to perform at STR, if they are unable to impress as better than the RBR drivers in that time they will be dropped. It may be a harsh decision, and as Bella says some of them may have developed with more time, but Red Bull are paying all the Bills and the system seems to be working.

You could argue Perez and Magnussen were treated more harshly by McLaren than RBR treats its drivers that make it to F1.

I would say that if someone was paying all the expenses and looking for the very best, all Herr Marko's decisions regarding the Red Bull ladder above would be completely logical.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Alguersuari and JEV were both guys more than deserving of a non Red Bull F1 career. They got well shafted having proven thenselves plenty capable.

Millions poured into you. Given multiple year and chances to hit targets. Gifted a top level F1 chance where otherwise wouldn't have happened (esp JEV). Shafted. Not.

If they were "more than deserving" of a non-Red Bull F1 drive then they would have got one. Neither did. Or was ever really that close to being picked up.

[bella]

as a fangirl i wish jev had had the chance to race the red bull car, especially because at the time it was its best. was he given enough time? yeah, absolutely. ricciardo sorted himself out and was given the opportunity. they were pretty closely matched though. alguersuari? i think he was thrown into f1 very early, when he was still developing as a driber but he'd been rushed through the early formulae so fast that there was nowhere to go (and nobody else to take the available drive). if that was now, he'd be parked up in gp2 for a few years to learn tyres...

i was referring to the drivers who were dropped before f1. anyone who has got as far as f1 seems to get a fair crack at it, and they've had a decent amount of time to learn and better themselves.

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by wnut

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Bourdais was to be replaced by Loeb in 2009 after struggling against Vettel in 2008 and 2009. The FIA refused to grant Loeb a super-licence; a massive pity; and Alguersuari was installed in the seat.



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Vettel was in 08, it was Buemi in 09. Loeb was supposed to replace Bourdais mid season, as Loeb had won the first five rallies of the WRC season, but then he had that mid season slump and Hirvonen got back in touch and I think Quesnel (is that how you spell it?) asked STR to wait till the WRC season was over, so that meant Abu Dhabi only, so Alguersuari replaced Seabass in the meantime, but in the end the week before Abu Dhabi the FIA refused to give him a superlicence as you say and I agree it was a great shame, as Lotterer proved you can an impact in your sole F1 outing, even in your mid 30s

Correct me if I've got any of the facts wrong but that's what I seem to remember reading at the time