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The opposite was in fact the case certainly re JEV but financial and (yet more) politics came unto play which scuppered them. It's also pretty evident that those 2 were a damn site better than 50% of the grid at the time and yet those 50% only outlasted them. If we go back to Bella's point about pre F1 'dumpees' then who do we specifically single out as debatable cases? Wickens, Da Costa (although he's still on the firm by default in DTM), Maki, Hartley (still inconsistent in WEC). Then what about those guys who got a token season for whatever reason like Stoneman who had a rotten time in 3.5 but had been pretty stellar in anything he had (and has since) sat his backside in? It seems that even RB have accepted that old cliche that a superstar only comes along once in a generation |
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Bourdais was unlucky to be paired with Vettel, who is a superstar, but I still think SB could have made a handy career in F1 under different circumstances.
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To be fair he was pretty unlucky full stop that year. He ran as high as fourth in his first race, then the engine went, although he was still classified in 7th. In Belgium he was on his way to 3rd place, when he got shuffled back in the pack on the last lap after being hung out to dry by Heidfeld and Fred on wets on a damp track. Then in Monza he qualified in fourth, then the car wouldn't get off the grid. Finally in Fuji he was given a ridiculous post race penalty for a collision that was Massa's fault. It's a shame because I feel he did a better job in the early rounds than Vettel who struggled to complete the first lap of a race. Either way you have to give Seabas credit for trying as what did he have to prove by staying in America after 4 titles? He needed a new challenge and so what it didn't work out? It hasn't done his career too much harm as he's doing well in America again. But I digress... |
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But he's scraping around with lower-order teams in IndyCars. Stick him in a Ganassi or a Penske, and I think he's still got titles in him.
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iirc maki (good memory!) stitched himself up with some naughty road car shenanigans? never was entirely sure about wickens, but he seems massively popular with mercedes and dtm so arguably he's a success story. albeit not for red bull themselves same for da costa, i'm glad he got the opportunity his talent deserved in a strong situation and it has definitely given him a launchpad into stuff like formula e too. i suppose you could say that the guys with a bit of money who have been dropped have made a decent fist of turning lemons into lemonade? |
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Never really got a proper crack of the whip in single seaters, but, as you say, a world champion now, and not many people can say that.
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and with some top teams too...
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Hartley is doing well in WEC no doubt but poster said never had fair crack of the whip in single-seaters when he had chance after chance after chance, and with top teams too.
Seriously? You might be on your own there bella. Red Bull have a great deal of resources at their behest and, in hindsight, not sure they have dropped too many drivers they shouldn't have. |
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Christ I forgot about the likes of Juncadella ( he's wasted in GT's!) Lewis Williamson, Lynn, Blomqvist only got a years paid drives each.
Surely Lynn and Tom can't be considered not good enough although didn't Alex walk away rather than get fired? |
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There are so many wrong assumptions about Red Bull.
Blonqvist got a half budget deal. Lynn, Ilott and Stoneman got very, very little budget. Some who have gone to F1 brought major funding for that, including more than one of their current four F1 drivers. In fact, more than two! Juncadella's backing effectively went to his cousin. Lynn drove on the basis that if he won GP3 there would be a Toro Rosso opening, but they signed Verstappen instead - a decision vindicated by time now I think. Last edited by peebee2; 13 Sep 2016 at 21:51. |
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Verstappen over Lynn looks like a smart move in retrospect, though must have been a gamble at the time. I still (patriotically) hope Lynn gets a chance, but he doesn't seem to be one of those names which is often on people's lips.
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Didn't Lynn say something along the lines of he's committed to securing a drive in F1 next year
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He's said he won't do GP2 again. Being committed to getting a drive and actually getting one are two different things. Williams looks like his only real option. I believe he's been sniffing around Formula E too.
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I think he'd better to secure GP2 title along his first F1 outings.
The GP2 rules allows him to do that this year. |
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I assume you mean Gasly rather than Lynn. The latter's only 8th in the points, he's not going to win the title. Gasly might well.
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Kyvat put in a timely performance last weekend. As long as he keeps that up i don't see Gasly getting in unless one of Kyvat or Sainz goes to Enstone.
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I love it when people are driving so much better than they were, when it come to the contract renewal time
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If it was my team I would take it as a validation of my technical staff, and confirmation that a replacement driver is needed! |
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