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Old 19 Dec 2017, 14:31 (Ref:3788089)   #151
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Why would Alpine/Signatech go for Ginetta? A French outfit with a British constructor doesn't seem to make too much sense with 2 major French ones around.

Agreed the second customer (3 cars?) seems in doubt.
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Old 19 Dec 2017, 14:42 (Ref:3788092)   #152
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Why would Alpine/Signatech go for Ginetta? A French outfit with a British constructor doesn't seem to make too much sense with 2 major French ones around.

Agreed the second customer (3 cars?) seems in doubt.
The 3 cars is most likely 2 race cars plus a rolling spare.

There may be other French constructors but it's not as simple as the same flag. Ginetta already being developed means it could be cheaper than going elsewhere for one off or small number builds. We also now know the ORECA is exclusive to Rebellion, so that'd be another car needing done.

The Alpine already has a British engine in it right now too.
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Old 19 Dec 2017, 14:46 (Ref:3788094)   #153
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Ligier have ruled out supplying a P1 chassis (they have their hands full churning out P3s), and Oreca are apparently supplying Rebellion exclusively.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2017/1...er-season.html

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Old 19 Dec 2017, 18:11 (Ref:3788136)   #154
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Random post: Ginetta has turned a profit.

"In its accounts, LNT also report that Ginetta made good progress in growing its markets and increased turnover by 49% to £9.2m. International exports accounted for 28% of all Ginetta’s new car sales in 2017...

Also, Ginetta despite being a UK firm, run their account books in Euros
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Old 19 Dec 2017, 20:08 (Ref:3788158)   #155
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Old 19 Dec 2017, 20:37 (Ref:3788166)   #156
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The 3 cars is most likely 2 race cars plus a rolling spare.

There may be other French constructors but it's not as simple as the same flag. Ginetta already being developed means it could be cheaper than going elsewhere for one off or small number builds. We also now know the ORECA is exclusive to Rebellion, so that'd be another car needing done.

The Alpine already has a British engine in it right now too.
I believe the Alpine brand is Renault owned, so using the Cosworth Nissan V6 would be feasible as Nissan and Renault are effectivley the same company.....why not?
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I believe the Alpine brand is Renault owned, so using the Cosworth Nissan V6 would be feasible as Nissan and Renault are effectivley the same company.....why not?
It would totally make sense. Mecachrome would also make sense, as Renault have close ties to them. Given Alpine managed to stick a chassis plate on an ORECA and call it an Alpine, I'm sure they could manage a deal to stick it on a Ginetta and call it an Alpine too. Alpine badged chassis, Renault badged engine that has close ties to the real Renaults. Seems like a good deal to me!

If the 2 other Ginetta aren't for Alpine, I'm betting they'll be back in LMP2. With another excuse on why they're allowed to enter LMP2, that will translate into English as "because they're French".

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Old 20 Dec 2017, 01:41 (Ref:3788220)   #158
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It's a waste to have the Nissan only at the back of the CLM1.
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Old 20 Dec 2017, 17:04 (Ref:3788370)   #159
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Depends on how much Cosworth wants to build more of them, I suppose.
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Depends on how much Cosworth wants to build more of them, I suppose.
As nissan had 3 cars at lemans i would estimate 4 engines per car already exist, so 12 engines approx, so really its just a case of blowing the dust off and re-dressing them for rear engined LMP1.....easy money for Cosworth.
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Old 21 Dec 2017, 22:52 (Ref:3788608)   #161
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According to DSC the un-announced 2 car Ginetta programme never materialised


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Old 22 Dec 2017, 05:47 (Ref:3788643)   #162
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That's a shame really. The LMP1s for next year then are:

2xToyota
2xSMP
1xManor
1xDrangonspeed
2xRebellion

Total: 8 cars
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That's a shame really. The LMP1s for next year then are:

2xToyota
2xSMP
1xManor
1xDrangonspeed
2xRebellion

Total: 8 cars
And 1x ByKolles
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Old 22 Dec 2017, 08:38 (Ref:3788655)   #164
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Honestly, I never trusted the 2 ginettas rumor. Anyway 9 full season lmp1 is a really great achievement considering that audi and porsche withdraw put in jeopardy the whole WEC concept
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Old 22 Dec 2017, 09:41 (Ref:3788668)   #165
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Any chance the Alpine potential programme is separate to the 2 ginetta announcement?

Can't see Alpine going for BR though, and Oreca are exclusive to Rebellion


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[QUOTE=Bcarr6;3788608]According to DSC the un-announced 2 car Ginetta programme never materialised


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Shocker......i suspect Ginettas LMP reputation is still mildly tainted from the LMP3 fiasco, so quite simply they need to get behind Manor and do the talking on the track, and prove its competitive, then other customers will knock for more.
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Ginetta G60-LT-P1 update.

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Ginetta G60-LT-P1 - Mecachrome V634P1 is quite a mouthful.
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Old 24 Dec 2017, 20:25 (Ref:3789062)   #168
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Ginetta G60-LT-P1 - Mecachrome V634P1 is quite a mouthful.


Weird how they sorted of started his whole P1 privateer hype and they will only have one car on the grid
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Does anybody know ginetta's price tag?
maybe dallara-BR1 is cheaper
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Quite expensive for sure, for a 2 cars effort will be required 5 mln $ + extra budget for spare parts just to have two cars.
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It seems that you'd be pushing close to $2.5 million USD ballpark for one Ginetta with a Mechachome engine from those estimages (1 and two-thrids million USD for the car, three quarters of a million for a Mechachome engine deal).

Could the Ginetta use different engines? Maybe the Judd or Gibson engines might be cheaper.
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It seems that you'd be pushing close to $2.5 million USD ballpark for one Ginetta with a Mechachome engine from those estimages (1 and two-thrids million USD for the car, three quarters of a million for a Mechachome engine deal).

Could the Ginetta use different engines? Maybe the Judd or Gibson engines might be cheaper.
Ginetta can use other engines
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It seems that you'd be pushing close to $2.5 million USD ballpark for one Ginetta with a Mechachome engine from those estimages (1 and two-thrids million USD for the car, three quarters of a million for a Mechachome engine deal).

Could the Ginetta use different engines? Maybe the Judd or Gibson engines might be cheaper.
gibson lmp2 engine season leasing is a lot cheaper.
That's main problem of private lmp1.... to be 3-4 seconds faster (at best) than a lmp2, you must to spend x3.5
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gibson lmp2 engine season leasing is a lot cheaper.
That's main problem of private lmp1.... to be 3-4 seconds faster (at best) than a lmp2, you must to spend x3.5
Honestly I do not see that as an issue.
If you are 3-4 seconds faster, equally reliable then spending 3.5 times as much as an LMP2 team is all worth it, if it means you are in for a shot at the win at Le Mans!

All that matters is that the gap between LMP1 and LMP2 is big enough to separate the classes, so that LMP1's will always have the first shot at victory. If you can can guarantee that, then you will get the sponsors and with that the budget.
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