V8's on Perth's city streets by 08/Petition (merged)

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V8 Supercars could be racing on Perth's city streets as early as 2008.

[FPV GTHO]

What is it with VESA trying to convince each state they can replicate the success of the Clipsal 500.

[pete55]

Anybody who has ever said V8 Supercars are about helping motorsport in this country have no credibility whatsoever.

[xrystl]

Been mooted for ages - too many forces against it ; Hope it's another slap in the face for VESA . Far better to spend the $$ on a permanent circuit .

[275 GTB-4]

Originally Posted by xrystl

Been mooted for ages - too many forces against it ; Hope it's another slap in the face for VESA . Far better to spend the $$ on a permanent circuit .

.........or in this case, better facilities and access to the circuit

[D.R.T.]

Its times like these that my head hurts

[mabs_nsx]

Would this round replace the one at Barbagello or will we get a second in WA? That would be cool.

[Average Punter]

It's bad enough to have Mr Cochrane bleating long and loud about how Governments should be tipping in money towards these street races.

Now we have a steady stream of entrepreneurs (who is this Michael Rasheed bloke anyway?) doing the same thing...

From memory there is a band of investors in Townsville trying the same deal.

Not to mention Sydney
Or Hamilton.
Or even Cronulla a few years ago.

Seems to be Cochrane's latest modus operandi. Get some overfinanced, underinformed businessman to do the bidding for you so you don't appear in the press constantly baying for taxpayers money...

[racer69]

Originally Posted by mabs_nsx

Would this round replace the one at Barbagello or will we get a second in WA? That would be cool.

One assumes it would be a similiar deal to South Australia, in that the deal for the street race demands it is the only race in that state.

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by 275 GTB-4

.........or in this case, better facilities and access to the circuit

I'm with you - the WA Sporting Car Club have steadily improved the Wanneroo facility over nearly forty years & to have the big drawing event taken away by taxpayers money may appeal to the event crowd but will do nothing for WA motor sport.

The WA Government were an obvious target for VESA, having been rejected earlier with taxpayers money being spent on the WRC with a more international audience.

I hope WA motor sport plays tough on this - who is going to provide the admin (yep CAMS nationally do have a conflict of interest), the flaggies, the support categories?

Michael Rasheed: hasnt he punted HQs?

[xrystl]

Originally Posted by 275 GTB-4

.........or in this case, better facilities and access to the circuit

I lived and worked in Wanneroo when it was announced that the permanent circuit was moving from Cavesham to the "sand dunes" north east of Wanneroo , an area that was difficult to access well before the inclusion of the racing circuit (the locals just shook their heads) ; the alternative was a good location , ex Army land about 10km west of Northam and just off the Highway .

[billybanana]

How many people can you fit into Barbagallo ? 10 - 15 thousand on a good day ? It's all about bringing in as many people as you can. A street race would potentially bring in 10 times that many.

You can't blame VE$A for doing this. I'd love a business where govt tips in the money and I take the profits. It's a no brainer.

[Aquarius]

Originally Posted by billybanana

How many people can you fit into Barbagallo ? 10 - 15 thousand on a good day ? It's all about bringing in as many people as you can. A street race would potentially bring in 10 times that many.

You can't blame VE$A for doing this. I'd love a business where govt tips in the money and I take the profits. It's a no brainer.

Another person who does not know how VESA operates, VESA get NO money from the gate takings except at the events they promote themselves, which is PI, Bathurst and Tassie. It is all about TV to VESA, the bigger the TV the more money through advertising.

[pete55]

Originally Posted by Aquarius

Another person who does not know how VESA operates, VESA get NO money from the gate takings except at the events they promote themselves, which is PI, Bathurst and Tassie. It is all about TV to VESA, the bigger the TV the more money through advertising.

Who doesn't know how VESA operates. The circuits pay VESA a large fee to hold a V8 round which surprisingly comes from gate takings at the circuit.

[MPA]

You can add Sandown to the list of self promoted events... through IMG. I'm not sure who promotes Darwin, anyone give me the heads up on that one?

Quick, someone do the sums....how many Aussie circiuts can afford to host a round of V8s?


I guess after they find the money to build the street circuit they're going to need to find a small army of local cams officals to run the place. They use around 700 marshals at The Clipsal but SAMRAO could run Mallallalla with two men and a ute.

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by MPA

You can add Sandown to the list of self promoted events... through IMG. I'm not sure who promotes Darwin, anyone give me the heads up on that one?

Quick, someone do the sums....how many Aussie circiuts can afford to host a round of V8s?


I guess after they find the money to build the street circuit they're going to need to find a small army of local cams officals to run the place. They use around 700 marshals at The Clipsal but SAMRAO could run Mallallalla with two men and a ute.

What are you saying?

I believe the WASCC own Barbagallo/promote the WA round, Linfox own Philip Island & I understand VESA promote the V8 round - what is the connection between IMG & VESA?

How many owners/promoters with Davo going at Sandown?

[billybanana]

Originally Posted by Aquarius

Another person who does not know how VESA operates

Bit touchy for aren't you ? I made a generalised statement. Anyone with half a brain can see VE$A will make more money from a street race than they will from Barbagallo - regardless of where the money actually comes from.

[MPA]

What am I saying?

I'm saying Davo is not the promoter of the Sandown 500, IMG are the promoters.

Davo rents the track to IMG for the weekend. It belongs to them to use as they see fit and if Davo wants to use the track for marching bands, burnouts or easternat displays he has to buy the time off from IMG just like anyone else.


The connection between IMG and VESA goes right back to the begining of TEGA/AVESCO/SEL.

Google it.

[MPA]

Here ya go.....a cut and paste history lesson..

1996: Formation of AVESCO

Fans may whinge about AVESCO's handling of their beloved V8s, but realistically, had the organising body not surfaced, the category would have died a slow death.

By season 1996, the 5-litre touring car category, which had oddly adopted the 'Group A' tag of its predecessor upon birth, was popular with diehard fans, but virtually unseen by the general public.

Before the rot set in, CAMS and the V8 team owners, fearing that their investments may become worthless, decided to hand over the class's marketing to a specialist sports-management company. In a rare instance of co-operation, the teams banded together for a common good, and jumped into bed with the International Management Group (IMG).

A business model was agreed upon and AVESCO was formed, jointly owned by the teams, IMG and (for a few years) CAMS. Later IMG's stake passed to offshoot Sports and Entertainment Limited (SEL).

The first item on AVESCO's agenda was to come up with a better television package, and a new name. In late 1996, the term V8 Supercar was adopted, replacing a confusing myriad of monikers including combinations of 'touring cars', 'Group A', and '5-litres'.

[cavvy]

Thanks for the history lesson - I was aware James Erskine ran IMG & his sidekick was there also last century.

I was asking about today, strictly a commercial relationship???
Did Avesco/Vesa oust IMG from promoting Bathurst?

MPA, you seemed to infer they were in bed so to speak - yes/no? IMG would seem to have lost out in their dealings with SEL, hardly likely to endear their former employees to them.

[Raglanparade]

Maybe the black wiggle has examined that WA is one of the richest states at moment with the mining boom and see's this as an opportunity to milk more money out of them.

Tony is probably rubbing his hands together with all the cashed up bogans over there at the moment.

[ausracefan]

Just had a look at the proposed area for the circuit, not looking good.

[peckstar]

how exciting cant wait

[TSR]

Originally Posted by Raglanparade

Maybe the black wiggle has examined that WA is one of the richest states at moment with the mining boom and see's this as an opportunity to milk more money out of them.

Tony is probably rubbing his hands together with all the cashed up bogans over there at the moment.

Touchee.

Here we go again Aussie Bernie bank balance rising again

[matt_015]

Since there making a street race for 2008 do you think they will keep the Barbagallo Racetrack and make up more rounds for the championship. You never no we might have 16 by the end of 2008.