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Old 11 Jul 2017, 19:41 (Ref:3750505)   #31
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The WEC meeting is exceptionally good value in my view. £40 odd for a three day event floats my boat.....

I've never subscribed to the view that the spectators view is wholly awful. There are plenty of places you can watch exciting cars from. Mind you, that is now the only event I attend at Silverstone.
It is without a doubt the worst spectator circuit in the UK in my view and it has deteriorated more since the loss of the old Abbey and Bridge turns, at best you can only see couple of turns through a wire mesh catch fencing. Why anyone would negotiate a second mortgage to watch an F1 race there is beyond me, watching paint dry would be more exciting and considerably cheaper.
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Old 11 Jul 2017, 19:48 (Ref:3750507)   #32
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Hard to argue with F1 Group's statement on the timing of the BRDC announcement: Autosport Link
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Old 11 Jul 2017, 19:49 (Ref:3750508)   #33
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Maybe Adam but Liberty have always said they want the British GP but not specified at Silverstone. Maybe London could get a Monaco type deal with no hosting fee and a joint venture promotion with Liberty.

It may well be at Silverstone in 2020, but I think a London GP is much more of a serious prospect with Liberty than it was with BE and CVC.

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Have they specifically said not Silverstone? Or just not mentioned it specifically? If you see what I mean.

If they are implying they think the history is important then London isn't where it is at. Threaten Brands by all means, but not a London street race. I'd taken it as implied it what Silverstone. Maybe incorrectly, but it would miss this point if they do that IMHO.

The French thing is a little different. That is more country than venue as it has moved around a lot. The realistic options didn't have great historic importance. And they didn't consider Paris.
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Old 11 Jul 2017, 19:50 (Ref:3750510)   #34
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Hard to argue with F1 Group's statement on the timing of the BRDC announcement: Autosport Link
Valid point. Why rile a partner that seems to be up to working together?
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Old 11 Jul 2017, 20:23 (Ref:3750520)   #35
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It is without a doubt the worst spectator circuit in the UK in my view and it has deteriorated more since the loss of the old Abbey and Bridge turns, at best you can only see couple of turns through a wire mesh catch fencing. Why anyone would negotiate a second mortgage to watch an F1 race there is beyond me, watching paint dry would be more exciting and considerably cheaper.
Whilst I agree with the first part, the highlighted part simply isn't true. Maybe if you're locked into a spot at the GP, perhaps, but for the WEC, I have hours to wander the whole circuit, use some free grandstands etc. There just needs to be recognition that there is life outside F1. (I would love to have Bridge back though. My son works for Porsche and at the weekend they had an open day. I did a few laps on a gaming simulator they had - and it was the old Silverstone with Bridge...... )
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Not this old Chestnut again!

Silverstone agreed a deal with the despicable old BE that was never financially viable from the off. Clearly, they feel the vibes coming from Liberty give them an opportunity to "Right a Wrong". I think that is probably the case, but the timing could have been better to say the least.Nobody likes to negotiate with a gun held to their head.

BE is to blame for everything that is evil in this World. Sure he made relatively few people incredibly wealthy but the Sport infinitely poorer.

What's his legacy to the Sport?........Virtually every great race track has gone or been butchered, tedious one make support races, an F1 Paddock that nobody but the privileged few can enter and a weekend ticket price that requires a mortgage. Good luck to any promoter daft enough to try and sell that! Oh yes...and he's got all the TV Rights covered too so no potential income via that route either.

The BRDC should have told him to p... off years ago.
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Old 11 Jul 2017, 20:38 (Ref:3750529)   #37
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Well, this is the ultimate negotiating tactic. I don't doubt that Silverstone are open to a more viable offer to be put on the table. They are well aware of their heritage and in the post-Bernie era probably feel in a stronger position to discuss terms with the new owners.

On another note, which circuits are making a profit from the Formula 1 race?
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Old 11 Jul 2017, 20:47 (Ref:3750532)   #38
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Valid point. Why rile a partner that seems to be up to working together?
That would be true if Liberty hadn't stated a few weeks ago that they wouldn't re-negotiate the terms of a valid contract, thus backing BRDC into a corner effectively forcing them to effect the termination clause.

This could have been handled far more discretely, but once the media all realised that the get-out clause existed and had to be effected before this year's event took place, then the pressure was on the BRDC to admit that they had acted.

It's all very well Liberty saying that they would have started re-negotiating after the race took place, but the BRDC had to enforce the clause in the contract to ensure that Liberty didn't go back on their word, claiming that they were going to hold the BRDC to the terms of the existing contract.

Liberty should have dealt with this matter months ago, out of the gaze of the public. They chose instead to insist that they had a valid and legally binding contract with the BRDC which they weren't prepared to re-negotiate.
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I don't get Liberty's position either. As mentioned before they could negotiate a contract without he break clause.
And Silverstone didn't need to use this timing either.

Hardly getting off to a good start between parties who were apparently willing to find a way forward.

Hopefully it's all a storm in a tea cup and in the end not important.
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I've told those who will listen at the BRDC to host the British GP if it's financially viable to do so........don't if it isn't. First and foremost Silverstone Circuits Ltd is a commercial enterprise, they don't have any obligation to host the race.

If all the main Players in F1 are prepared to let the British GP drop off the calendar then that sends out a rather shocking message.

Nobody should place any blame on the BRDC if it's lost.....the F1 fraternity can make it happen if they value it enough. Time for them to put some coffers back into the sport.
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I agree, don't run it at a loss.

Let's hope the rest of us can keep Silverstone viable. Of course that maybe easier if they aren't losing with the GP.
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i dont recall Liberty stating that they wouldnt renegotiate but clearly a war of words has begun between the two groups.

motorsports article has a Liberty quote suggesting that they offered to extended the termination clause date so that this wouldnt be an issue during the GP weekend which is reasonable imo.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...clause-929434/

"We offered to extend the current deadlines in order to focus on everything that is great about Silverstone and Formula 1."

make of that what you will, but every time a contract renewal comes around the BRDC makes a lot of noise about it not being sustainable but then sign the contract anyways.

also didnt they just opt out a sweetheart deal that BE was forced to agree to because the Donington option failed to pan out?
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They lose a few million a year but didn't they spend about £30m on the laughable new pits and removing one of the best corners in the world?
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Old 11 Jul 2017, 21:44 (Ref:3750553)   #44
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I don't think the old pits were useless.The problem seemed to be finding space nearby for the enormous hospitality centres that take up several multiples of the space the older coach based hospitality units needed.The same problem afflicts Brands Hatch.

I did think it was a bit disingenuous of Christian Horner to criticise the new pits when his organisation was at the forefront of the trend to require more space for their operations.How many trucks does it take to make a Grand Prix happen anyway?
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Eh, there's about 10 times as much space in the old pits for such things as the new pits.
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