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Old 30 Jul 2017, 14:53 (Ref:3756007)   #31
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And all credit to Lewis for giving the place back - it must have hurt......
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Old 30 Jul 2017, 14:57 (Ref:3756011)   #32
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And all credit to Lewis for giving the place back - it must have hurt......
I don't understand why he gave it back, that means fewer points.
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Old 30 Jul 2017, 15:22 (Ref:3756019)   #33
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Surely there was a cause on safety rounds to allow Paul 10-15 minutes on track by himself before quali to familiarise himself with the car?? Or even before the race begins even??
Apart from being no time on the timetable, it wouldn't allow the proper maintenance on the car.

Why do you think Williams should be given such an advantage anyway? They 80% knew Massa would pull out but they still allowed him all FP3 instead of putting Di Resta in then.

Di Resta qualified by having a licence and taking part in one practice session.

If Williams had any common sense they would have run Di Resta in FP3 and then Massa in qualifying.

If, as expected, Massa felt too poorly then Di Resta would have started just one place lower but with four times the experience in the car!
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Old 30 Jul 2017, 15:25 (Ref:3756021)   #34
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Verstappen pits and serves his 10 second penalty. Apart from that first lap incident, he drove really well looking after his tyres.
can someone explain to me why Max gets a 10 sec penalty for this and Bottas did not get penalties for knocking out Kimi and Max in Barcelona en driving into Kimi in Baku?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk9sxE25nhE

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Old 30 Jul 2017, 15:37 (Ref:3756027)   #35
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can someone explain to me why Max gets a 10 sec penalty for this and Bottas did not get penalties for knocking out Kimi and Max in Barcelona en driving into Kimi in Baku?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk9sxE25nhE

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Bottas was alongside Raikkonen, and hit the curb on the inside of the turn, which slammed him into Raikkonen.
Verstappen tried a divebomb, braked to late, and locked his brakes in the process.

very unsimilar incidents.

The Barcelona was just a three-wide racing incident.
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Old 30 Jul 2017, 15:43 (Ref:3756033)   #36
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Bottas was alongside Raikkonen, and hit the curb on the inside of the turn, which slammed him into Raikkonen.
Verstappen tried a divebomb, braked to late, and locked his brakes in the process.

very unsimilar incidents.

The Barcelona was just a three-wide racing incident.
nonsense, similar incidents, but the stewards seem to have their favorites
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Old 30 Jul 2017, 16:16 (Ref:3756042)   #37
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I don't understand why he gave it back, that means fewer points.
I believe there was an agreement that if Lewis couldn't pass a Ferrari he would give the position back. You can argue that Bottas couldn't pass for the same reason Lewis couldn't and you could argue Lewis (even if faster) may not have been able to pass Bottas. Kudos to Lewis.

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Old 30 Jul 2017, 16:19 (Ref:3756046)   #38
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I believe there was an agreement that if Lewis couldn't pass a Ferrari he would give the position back. You can argue that Bottas couldn't pass for the same reason Lewis couldn't and you could argue Lewis (even if faster) may not have been able to pass Bottas. Kudos to Lewis.

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Very magnanimous of Lewis but he may regret losing out on those extra points, later on this season.
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Old 30 Jul 2017, 16:25 (Ref:3756050)   #39
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Hulkenberg interrupted Magnussen in the live post race interviews and reprimanded Kevin for the incident.
Kevins answer (still on live tv) was: "suck my balls, man"

It can't be long before it is on youtube...

NOT the Best choice of words, but I can understand the reason.
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Very magnanimous of Lewis but he may regret losing out on those extra points, later on this season.
I don't know that he will regret it. I think in his mind. He was only ever going to finish 1,2, or 4th. He was not entitled to 3rd since it was clear that Bottas let Lewis past and that Lewis would never have passed Bottas on merit. Too difficult to pass.
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I don't know that he will regret it. I think in his mind. He was only ever going to finish 1,2, or 4th. He was not entitled to 3rd since it was clear that Bottas let Lewis past and that Lewis would never have passed Bottas on merit. Too difficult to pass.
Those few point could make the difference to winning or losing the WDC.
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Hulkenberg interrupted Magnussen in the live post race interviews and reprimanded Kevin for the incident.
Kevins answer (still on live tv) was: "suck my balls, man"

It can't be long before it is on youtube...

NOT the Best choice of words, but I can understand the reason.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KaCf_IV2ZdQ

I am (kind of) ok with the 5 second penalty for Magnussen. I just don't see how hulkenberg can hit Grosjean in turn one, with Lotus of space on the inside, and then get so angry with what Kevin did..

After all he didn't hit him, and left the choice to hulkenberg to either back off or go on the grass.
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Those few point could make the difference to winning or losing the WDC.
They could, but if that happens and he manages to continue his growing appearance of understanding magnanimity then it'll do his legacy the world of good.

Brilliance with petulance growing into brilliance, experience, magnanimity and gentlemanly conduct. Quite pleasant to see, IMO.
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nonsense, similar incidents, but the stewards seem to have their favorites
They are different situations. Not least because Honey Badger was very fair and left space for good racing.

I'm not sure I'd have penalised him, but you're paranoid if you think the steward are playing favourites.
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They could, but if that happens and he manages to continue his growing appearance of understanding magnanimity then it'll do his legacy the world of good.

Brilliance with petulance growing into brilliance, experience, magnanimity and gentlemanly conduct. Quite pleasant to see, IMO.
The magnanimity, makes a welcome change.
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