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Old 9 Aug 2017, 01:32 (Ref:3758293)   #196
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But the ACO I feel need to act fast. They should've been proactive, knowing how unstable factory backed racing could be. Now they have to react, whilst seeming acting ignorant to the realities of what's going on now.
What should be the ACO rapid reaction?
Perhaps the first thing would be to correct the mistake they made in the beginning, that is to equalize all the hybrid categories.
They should lower the performance of the 8MJ, 6MJ and 4MJ all to the level of 2MJ. This would not give back the marks that went away but allows to limit a little the performance of Toyota with respect to the LMP1 P and maybe someone tries a 2MJ car.
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Old 9 Aug 2017, 02:19 (Ref:3758299)   #197
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All they need to do is to open up the fuel flow and others can compete. I think that coupled with a bigger tank will allow privateers and/or low hybrid cars to go just as fast.
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Old 9 Aug 2017, 05:56 (Ref:3758328)   #198
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Slap a 100 kw limit on the hybrid and 50 kg more weight. Then we might have something worth watching.
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Old 10 Aug 2017, 15:06 (Ref:3758623)   #199
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Good interview to Ralf Juttner in Sportscar365.
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With the potential of no manufacturer-run prototypes competing for overall wins in WEC races next year, many have suggested the integration of IMSA’s DPi formula to LMP1 as an immediate, potentially short-term solution.

However according to Juttner, who is now spearheading Mazda’s DPi team in the IMSA WeatherTech SportsCar Championship, it’s not as easy as it looks, particularly with the new-for-2017 LMP2 cars thrown into the mix.

“[DPi] could be a solution, a quick solution, but then again it’s not as easy as it probably seems,” he said.

“The first side, you cannot just say OK, we hope there are so many private LMP1s coming next year but some people dream about eight. I would be surprised if there were three or four.

“But then to take DPis and put them against those LMP1-Ls, then you have to make them quicker than the LMP2s, which you’ve seen how quick those are.

“If you want to get those cars at Le Mans four or five seconds quicker than an LMP2, then I think you are quickly reaching a limit with those cars as well. The engine and stuff, it will break.
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Old 10 Aug 2017, 15:11 (Ref:3758625)   #200
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I don't think DPi should replace LMP1, but as an invitational IMSA class at Le Mans? That sounds fun.
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Old 10 Aug 2017, 15:17 (Ref:3758627)   #201
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In a hypothetical scenario where Toyota decides to run a part time schedule in 2018: Just Spa, Le Mans, and Fuji only. How would potential LMP1 privateer buyers react to that? Do you think they still buy in to try to get wins in the other WEC races and pick up the pieces at Le Mans if Toyota fails. Or does even just a partial Toyota presence scare them off?
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In a hypothetical scenario where Toyota decides to run a part time schedule in 2018: Just Spa, Le Mans, and Fuji only. How would potential LMP1 privateer buyers react to that? Do you think they still buy in to try to get wins in the other WEC races and pick up the pieces at Le Mans if Toyota fails. Or does even just a partial Toyota presence scare them off?
If the rumours are to be believed, we already had interested parties from a lot of teams who were prepared to run even if Porsche and Toyota were both their. So if they were prepared to finish behind 4-5 factory cars, they should be able to take the hit of 2-3. If Toyota only turns up for Le Mans, there's still a good chance of an overall podium at Le Mans for private cars.
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Old 10 Aug 2017, 21:57 (Ref:3758686)   #203
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Dieselgate might be the cop out/opt out for VAG to leave (to save face to their stakeholders, though most race fans and Joe Public doesn't really care), but Juttner was there and he knew that even without Dieselgate, something was going to have to give.

IMO, I hope that this is like the reset that happened in 1994, 1999-2000, and 2003-2006 where you had surges of privateer efforts before the factory efforts came back in and cleaned house.
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In the past 2 decades, no privateer has won Le Mans. Even further back than that it was Joest who was basically Porsche's factory team. And before that (1995) was the McLaren F1 GTR.

I see criticism of factory or manufacturer bias/preference and their involvement. But looking back over the recent history of the race, no one but manufacturers have won. Will that change? Will they see a golden opportunity next year with only Toyota? I would bet some are just waiting to jump in. But as in the past with exodus of manufacturer teams, more will just take their place in short time.
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Even with Joest getting support from Porsche in '96 and '97, he was officially a privateer team. When Goh and Champion won LM in '04 and '05 they were considered privateer teams by the ACO even though they were semi-factory Audi Sport outfits.

You also have to remember especially from the factory exodus after '99 and until Peugeot came back, most of the LMP900 and LMP1 teams were privateers. It wasn't really until 2011 that the number of private teams vs factory teams broke even and into the hybrid era, almost all the front runners were factory teams and outnumbered the private entries.

Not to mention that the era of private teams running older spec factory cars ended at around that time, and it was mostly Audi R8s in the LMP900 era when that happened. Oreca were basically a second Peugeot factory team, though they were treated as a privateer by Peugeot in 2011.
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Maybe in a few years, but it might be pushing premature at this point.
Isnt that just the point - put the class in place and let the technology develop. It defeats the object to wait until the tech is all there. Meanwhile the more budget P1 class takes centre stage for a year or two
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This just popped up on Twitter from Mikhail Aleshin https://twitter.com/mikhailaleshin/s...01275705057280

Looks like the SMP lmp1 is going to be on for next year. And for him to skip Indycar races for it must be a good thing for the project.
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On the factory end, and I'd think that the guys from DSC and RLM would approve, maybe we should instead of asking why VAG left--the reasons proposed being varied and most probably actually have at least some merit or truth to them--and ask why no one else came in aside from Toyota?
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On the factory end, and I'd think that the guys from DSC and RLM would approve, maybe we should instead of asking why VAG left--the reasons proposed being varied and most probably actually have at least some merit or truth to them--and ask why no one else came in aside from Toyota?
It's obvious one of those reasons was costs. To compete you needed an F1 sized budget, or you need facilities/suppliers in place where you can do it all by yourself like Toyota and Ferrari. Even F1 teams don't have it all. Only Ferrari and now maybe Mercedes, after they bought out what was left of BAR Honda when they changed to Brawn and then to Mercedes, have a place where you can do car & engine & aero. Then you have the rules which limits the areas where gains can be made. Every car following the same trend is just like F1 where they can only make gains on the aero side by messing with winglets on the front and some on the floor and some on the bargeboards.
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And for him to skip Indycar races for it must be a good thing for the project.
Didn't SPM drop him?
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