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Old 19 Aug 2007, 17:37 (Ref:1992133)   #1
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Ranking the LMP's

Just for entertainment purposes, rank the LMP teams, both LMP1 and LMP2 together, using your opinion.
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Old 19 Aug 2007, 18:05 (Ref:1992152)   #2
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Just for entertainment purposes, rank the LMP teams, both LMP1 and LMP2 together, using your opinion.
Both series (LMS and ALMS) both classes, all together?
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Old 19 Aug 2007, 18:20 (Ref:1992163)   #3
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1st	Overall	1st	LMP2	Penske 	Porsche RS Spyder
2nd	Overall	1st	LMP1	Audi Sport NA	Audi R10
3rd	Overall	2nd	LMP1	Team Peugeot Total	Peugeot 908 Hdi-FAP
4th	Overall	3rd	LMP1	Pescarolo Sport	Pescarolo-Judd
5th	Overall	4th	LMP1	Charouz Racing Systems	Lola B07/17-Judd
6th	Overall	2nd	LMP2	Highcroft	Acura ARX-01a Acura
7th	Overall	3rd	LMP2	Dyson 	Porsche RS Spyder
8th	Overall	5th	LMP1	Rollcentre Racing	Pescarolo-Judd
9th	Overall	4th	LMP2	Fernandez 	Lola B06/43 Acura
10th	Overall	5th	LMP2	AGR 	Acura ARX-01a Acura
11th	Overall	6th	LMP2	RML	MG Lola EX 264-AER
12th	Overall	6th	LMP1	Creation Autosportif 	Creation CA07 Judd
13th	Overall	7th	LMP2	BK Motorsports	Lola B07/40 Mazda
14th	Overall	8th	LMP2	Quifel ASM Team	Lola B05/40-AER
15th	Overall	7th	LMP1	Swiss Spirit	Lola B06/Audi
16th	Overall	8th	LMP1	Courage Competition	Courage LC70-AER
17th	Overall	9th	LMP2	Horag Racing	Lola B05/40-Judd
18th	Overall	10th	LMP2	Barazi Epsilon	Zytek 07S-Zytek
19th	Overall	11th	LMP2	Saulnier Racing	Courage LC75-AER
20th	Overall	9th	LMP1	Cytosport 	Lola B06/14 AER
21st	Overall	10th	LMP1	Arena International 	Zytek 07S
22nd	Overall	11th	LMP1	Intersport 	Creation CA06/H Judd
23rd	Overall	12th	LMP1	Chamberlain-Synergy	Lola B06/10-AER
24th	Overall	13th	LMP1	Racing For Holland	Dome S101.5-Judd
25th	Overall	12th	LMP2	Binnie Motorsports	Lola B05/40-Zytek
26th	Overall	13th	LMP2	Kruse Motorsport	Pescarolo-Judd
27th	Overall	14th	LMP2	Team Bruichladdich Radical	Radical SR9-AER
28th	Overall	15th	LMP2	Embassy Racing	Radical SR9-Judd
29th	Overall	16th	LMP2	Van Der Steur 	Radical SR9 AER
30th	Overall	14th	LMP1	Autocon 	Creation CA06/H Judd
31st	Overall	17th	LMP2	Pierre Bruneau	Pilbeam MP93 Judd
32nd	Overall	18th	LMP2	Ranieri Randaccio 	Lucchini NME
33rd	Overall	15th	LMP1	Scuderia Lavaggi 	Lavaggi LS01 Ford
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Old 19 Aug 2007, 20:28 (Ref:1992248)   #4
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Thats not fair to Mr. Lavaggi, at least he did a few laps. Please add:
34rd Overall 16th LMP1 CET Porsche RS Spyder
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Old 19 Aug 2007, 20:33 (Ref:1992254)   #5
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My totally biased list:
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1st     Overall    1st    LMP1    Team Peugeot Total    Peugeot 908 Hdi-FAP
2nd     Overall    2nd    LMP1    Audi Sport NA    Audi R10
3rd     Overall    1st    LMP2    Penske    Porsche RS Spyder
4th     Overall    3rd    LMP1    Pescarolo Sport    Pescarolo-Judd
5th     Overall    4th    LMP1    Charouz Racing Systems    Lola B07/17-Judd
6th     Overall    5th    LMP1    Rollcentre Racing    Pescarolo-Judd
7th     Overall    2nd    LMP2    Dyson    Porsche RS Spyder
8th     Overall    3rd    LMP2    Highcroft    Acura ARX-01a 
9th     Overall    4th    LMP2    Fernandez    Lola B06/43 Acura
10th    Overall    5th    LMP2    AGR    Acura ARX-01a Acura
11th    Overall    6th    LMP2    RML    MG Lola EX 264-AER
12th    Overall    6th    LMP1    Creation Autosportif    Creation CA07 Judd
13th    Overall    7th    LMP1    Arena International    Zytek 07S
14th    Overall    8th    LMP1    Courage Competition    Courage LC70-AER
15th    Overall    7th    LMP2    Quifel ASM Team    Lola B05/40-AER
16th    Overall    8th    LMP2    Embassy Racing    Radical SR9-Judd
17th    Overall    9th    LMP2    BK Motorsports    Lola B07/40 Mazda 
18th    Overall    9th    LMP1    Swiss Spirit    Lola B06/Audi 
19th    Overall    10th   LMP2    Barazi Epsilon    Zytek 07S-Zytek 
20th    Overall    10th   LMP1    Chamberlain-Synergy    Lola B06/10-AER 
21st    Overall    11th   LMP2    Horag Racing    Lola B05/40-Judd
22nd    Overall    12th   LMP2    Binnie Motorsports    Lola B05/40-Zytek 
23rd    Overall    13th   LMP2    Team Bruichladdich Radical    Radical SR9-AER
24th    Overall    14th   LMP2    Saulnier Racing    Courage LC75-AER 
25th    Overall    11th   LMP1    Intersport    Creation CA06/H Judd
26th    Overall    12th   LMP1    Racing For Holland    Dome S101.5-Judd 
27th    Overall    13th   LMP1    Cytosport    Lola B06/14 AER
28th    Overall    15th   LMP2    Kruse Motorsport    Pescarolo-Judd
29th    Overall    16th   LMP2    Van Der Steur    Radical SR9 AER
30th    Overall    14th   LMP1    Autocon    Creation CA06/H Judd
31st    Overall    17th   LMP2    Pierre Bruneau    Pilbeam MP93 Judd
32nd    Overall    15th   LMP1    Scuderia Lavaggi    Lavaggi LS01 Ford
33rd    Overall    18th   LMP2    Ranieri Randaccio    Lucchini NME

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Old 19 Aug 2007, 22:39 (Ref:1992363)   #6
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Thats not fair to Mr. Lavaggi, at least he did a few laps. Please add:
34rd Overall 16th LMP1 CET Porsche RS Spyder
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Well, I can't agree. I think based on their present performance, I would have to rank CET slightly behind the Detroit Soup Kitchen Courage Cosworth.

But seriously, everyone is entitled to their own idea of how to rank things. I'd like to explain how I came to the conclusions I did, and the methodology. There are a few key cars there, particularly the RML Lola LMP2. I am only basing my conclusions on performances this year, by that team/car combination.

First, to be the champ, you have to beat the champ. The champ in the only head to head meeting of the LMP1 factories was Audi. Therefore, I concluded that so far, Audi is ranked higher. Perhaps Peugeot might have more potential, but they haven't beat the champ, and therefore cannot be the champ.

Now, Penske is 6 - 2 vs. Audi Sport North America this year... therefore I rank them above ASNA.

From there, I ranked the LMS teams against each other (putting classes aside), and the ALMS teams (which was easy, because outside of ASNA, the LMP1 is rather weak).

Like I mentioned above, RML was one of the keys. They are a very good team, one I feel ranks just around BK Motorsports of the ALMS. I should also mention that I counted LM at an LMS round, and awarded points accordingly, though it really didn't change much. Only a few of the P1 teams in the LMS have beaten RML consistently, those being Pescarolo, Charouz and Rollcentre. Given they are P1 cars, I ranked them ahead of the P2 group behind them. In truth, I think they might be a little more mixed than that, but who knows.

I've ranked the ALMS P2 teams based on their pts. standings, and placed the Porsche and Acura teams ahead of RML. Then RML. The balance of the mix is based upon results year to date, and guessing where those ALMS vs. LMS cars would be. Arena Zytek is lower than we might have guessed, but then they have only finished one race, and didn't beat either RML or Barazi then either. So, I couldn't rank Arena ahead of Barazi, given they've had poor results in the races, and my exercise wasn't intended to be a mock qualifying grid, but rather a random idea of how these teams compete over a season.

So, discuss, enjoy, we can update throughout the year, and hopefully some LMS teams do PLM, and maybe some ALMS teams do Brazil, to give more fodder for conversation.
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Old 19 Aug 2007, 23:20 (Ref:1992393)   #7
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1st Penske Racing Porsche RS Spyder (ALMS)
2nd Audi Sport NA Audi R10 (ALMS)
3rd Team Total Peugeot 908 Hdi-FAP (LMS)
4th Pescarolo Sport Pescarolo-Judd (LMS)
5th Highcroft Acura ARX-01a Acura (ALMS)
6th Dyson Racing Porsche RS Spyder (ALMS)
7th AGR Acura ARX-01a Acura (ALMS)
8th Charouz Racing Systems Lola B07/17-Judd (LMS)
9th RML MG Lola EX 264-AER (LMS)
10th Fernandez Lola B06/43 Acura (LMS)
11th Rollcentre Racing Pescarolo-Judd (LMS)
12th Creation Autosportif Creation CA07 Judd (LMS)
13th BK Motorsports Lola B07/40 Mazda (ALMS)
14th Arena International Zytek 07S (LMS)
15th Quifel ASM Team Lola B05/40-AER (LMS)
16th Courage Competition Courage LC70-AER (LMS)
17th Horag Racing Lola B05/40-Judd (LMS)
18th Barazi Epsilon Zytek 07S-Zytek (LMS)
19th Saulnier Racing Courage LC75-AER (LMS)
20th Cytosport Lola B06/14 AER (ALMS)
21st Chamberlain-Synergy Lola B06/10-AER (LMS)
22nd Racing For Holland Dome S101.5-Judd (LMS)
23rd Binnie Motorsports Lola B05/40-Zytek (LMS)
24th Kruse Motorsport Pescarolo-Judd (LMS)
25th Team Bruichladdich Radical SR9-AER (LMS)
26th Embassy Racing Radical SR9-Judd (LMS)
27th Intersport Creation CA06/H Judd (ALMS)
28th Autocon Creation CA06/H Judd (ALMS)
29th van der Steur Radical SR9 AER (ALMS)
30st Pierre Bruneau Pilbeam MP93 Judd (LMS)
31st Ranieri Randaccio Lucchini NME (LMS)
32nd Scuderia Lavaggi LS01 Ford (LMS)
Swiss Spirit no longer active, so no longer included.

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Old 20 Aug 2007, 00:44 (Ref:1992414)   #8
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1 - Penske Racing - Porsche RS Spyder
2 - Audi Sport North America - Audi R10 TDI
3 - Pescarolo Sport - Pescarolo 01-Judd
4 - Team Peugeot Total - Peugeot 908 HDi
5 - Ray Mallock Ltd. - MG-Lola EX264
6 - Charouz Racing System - Lola B07/17-Judd
7 - Highcroft Racing - Acura ARX-01a
8 - Quifel ASM Team - Lola B05/40-AER
9 - Rollcentre Racing - Pescarolo 01-Judd
10 - Barazi-Epsilon - Zytek 07S/2
11 - Binnie Motorsports - Lola B05/40-Zytek
12 - Fernandez Racing - Lola B06/43-Acura
13 - Creation Autosportif - Creation CA07-Judd
14 - Horag Racing - Lola B05/40-Judd
15 - Dyson Racing - Porsche RS Spyder
16 - Courage Competition - Courage LC70-AER
17 - Saulnier Racing - Courage LC75-AER
18 - Andretti Green Racing - Acura ARX-01a
19 - Arena Motorsport - Zytek 07S
20 - Team Bruichladdich Radical - Radical SR9-AER
21 - Intersport Racing - Creation CA06/H-Judd
22 - Embassy Racing - Radical SR9-Judd
23 - Chamberlain-Synergy Motorsport - Lola B06/10-AER
24 - Kruse Motorsport - Pescarolo 01-Judd
25 - Noel del Bello - Courage LC75-AER
26 - Autocon Motorsport - Creation CA06/H
27 - B-K Motorsport - Lola B07/46-Mazda
28 - Racing for Holland - Dome S101.5-Judd
29 - Team Cytosport - Lola B06/10-AER
30 - Ranieri Randaccio - Lucchini LMP2-NME
31 - Pierre Bruneau - Pilbeam MP93-Judd
32 - Van der Steur Racing - Radical SR9-AER
33 - Scuderia Lavaggi - Lavaggi LS1-Ford
I've taken into account not only how well a team has performed on the track, but also the challenges they faced either against mechanical woes or overcoming a new/difficult chassis or engine.

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