Le Mans - First Retirement? (Closed 'til 18.6.02!) - Page 2

cybersdorf · 27 May 2002, 15:50 (Ref:297636)

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Originally posted by Aysedasi
Spin, puncture and puke

Sounds like the evil twins of Snap, Crackle & Pop

Fab · 27 May 2002, 15:51 (Ref:297637)

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Originally posted by iucrmh
Your are right, only it was 1970. Four Ferraris out on the same lap, three in one accident, but Derek Bell is quite adament that although he went out on the same lap, it wasn't as part of that accident.

Thanks Mike ! That's it, the one I thought about first !

It seems a little bit more common than we thought initialy... could happen as well for Audi ! Not that I hope that for them, not an accident...

BTW, I just watched a video downloadable on PK Sport site : we see a trumendous crash of the Gulf Audi, last year. It's not at Le Mans. The weather looks sunny (

) and Johansonn seems pushed out by a Pescarolo Courage... any idea of what happend and where it was ?

Osella · 27 May 2002, 19:10 (Ref:297802)

I'm betting on the AutoPalace Ferrari falling on its sword first!

Speedworx · 27 May 2002, 20:02 (Ref:297848)

The Morgan will be the first car to retire.

hgb · 28 May 2002, 11:38 (Ref:298372)

My (save) bet is also on the Morgan if no accidents happen within the first hour or so.

bigh · 28 May 2002, 11:42 (Ref:298375)

It has to be the Morgan. If it doesn't break down in the first few laps then it's going to be a headache for the rest of the field (and how will it handle in the wet?!) Maybe it should have some dayglo chevrons and a 'keep right' sign pasted on the boot
Talking of multiple accidents in the same team, don't forget the Aston Nimrods taking each other out on the Mulsanne.
BigH

**Aysedasi** · 28 May 2002, 11:57 (Ref:298384)

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Originally posted by Fab

BTW, I just watched a video downloadable on PK Sport site : we see a trumendous crash of the Gulf Audi, last year. It's not at Le Mans. The weather looks sunny ( ) and Johansonn seems pushed out by a Pescarolo Courage... any idea of what happend and where it was ?

Nice little video that, isn't it Fab? I wonder where you found the link............?!

Stoffer Green · 28 May 2002, 12:02 (Ref:298388)

Ok Aysedasi, I've been thinking about this one, the Pilbeam seemed appropriate last year, just as the Coupe 450S Maserati was in 1957 (reminding you of my early love of Le Mans!). You might just as well have sweepstake on this one.
Who is going to charge from the start and perhaps make a mistake?
My vote goes for a Dome, and I' plump for the Dutch one. I hope I'm wrong as I wish it well.

**Aysedasi** · 28 May 2002, 12:04 (Ref:298390)

Nice to see you stop by, Stoffer! We must meet again before Le Weekend!

paulzinho · 28 May 2002, 14:44 (Ref:298488)

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Originally posted by bigh

Talking of multiple accidents in the same team, don't forget the Aston Nimrods taking each other out on the Mulsanne.
BigH

Isn't that the one where John Sheldon? was badly hurt?

bigh · 28 May 2002, 17:18 (Ref:298587)

Yes PZ, he suffered some horrible burns and was laid up for a long time. He made a pretty good recovery, bar the scarring, and returned to Le Mans in '87 or thereabouts. I'll bet it took some of the right stuff to get back in a Group C car again and point it down the Mulsanne.

FastJoel31 · 28 May 2002, 19:07 (Ref:298673)

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Originally posted by Fab
...BTW, I just watched a video downloadable on PK Sport site : we see a trumendous crash of the Gulf Audi, last year. It's not at Le Mans. The weather looks sunny ( ) and Johansonn seems pushed out by a Pescarolo Courage... any idea of what happend and where it was ?

That was last year at Jarama (?) during the ELMS (?) race. That was the race won overall by the Saleen. The Courage did win the race as the first car over the line, but it was disqualified after the accident with the Audi. Pescarolo Sport made an appeal and I think they won (am I wrong?).

First car to retire-Autoexe Car, Morgan Aero 8, or one of the Vipers.

Fab · 29 May 2002, 05:38 (Ref:299094)

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Originally posted by Aysedasi
Nice little video that, isn't it Fab? I wonder where you found the link............?!

I didn't dare to mention it, but if you push...

Try the edito on that page to get the link :

http://www.aysedasi.btinternet.co.uk/

The movie is definitely worst it ! (and the up mention site too

)

Fab · 29 May 2002, 05:40 (Ref:299095)

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Originally posted by FastJoel31
That was last year at Jarama (?) during the ELMS (?) race. That was the race won overall by the Saleen. The Courage did win the race as the first car over the line, but it was disqualified after the accident with the Audi. Pescarolo Sport made an appeal and I think they won (am I wrong?).

Thank you FastJoel, I didn't remember that one... by chance, do you know who was driving the Pescarolo car ?

Impressive crash, anyway...

kdr · 29 May 2002, 08:29 (Ref:299184)

i was thinking again about the morgan. whats the chances if it broke they'd be able to fix it...it does seem more em - rudimentary(?!)than most of the other cars.

like...does it have points?!

Rcutler · 29 May 2002, 15:47 (Ref:299565)

I remember in 1998 I think there were both the Mercedes CLK LM out within 5 laps!!

Liz · 29 May 2002, 16:20 (Ref:299585)

What was that car that Yannick Dalmas was driving in 2000 that lasted about 1/4 lap? I think it was one of the ROC cars? It didn't even get really out of sight of Pit Out before it lost all its oil and died.

Judging by their past history, I'd bet on the Panoz LMP-07 losing a wheel early on.

And don't pick on my Spyker pals -- they may not be lovely to some of you, but the car was 100% reliable during Sebring until it hit that

Porsche.

FastJoel31 · 29 May 2002, 19:09 (Ref:299731)

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Originally posted by Fab

Thank you FastJoel, I didn't remember that one... by chance, do you know who was driving the Pescarolo car ?

Impressive crash, anyway...

After some research, it was the ELMS Estoril race last year. Boris Derichebourg was driving the Pescarolo car, Tom Coronel was in the Audi.

The appeal from Pescarolo Sport-
http://alms.americanlemans.com/News/News.asp?ID=341

The result-
http://alms.americanlemans.com/News/News.asp?ID=489

SL · 29 May 2002, 19:19 (Ref:299736)

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I remember in 1998 I think there were both the Mercedes CLK LM out within 5 laps!

And not just the Mercs.

2 Konrad Porsche 911's, Oreca Viper and 2 x BMW V12 LM's all before 100 laps, even the Debora done more than that !!! Just 23 finishers that year and many of them walking wounded.

Oh and it was 19 and 31 laps when the Mercs went out both with 'engine problems' (not enough power to take off. Problem solved in '99

)

Simon

**Aysedasi** · 29 May 2002, 20:19 (Ref:299792)

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Originally posted by Liz
What was that car that Yannick Dalmas was driving in 2000 that lasted about 1/4 lap? I think it was one of the ROC cars? It didn't even get really out of sight of Pit Out before it lost all its oil and died.

It was a Reynard Mopar Liz.

**Aysedasi** · 29 May 2002, 20:21 (Ref:299796)

Everyone seems to have it in for the poor old Morgan. I'm willing to bet that it wont be the first retirement. (But don't ask me to put my money where my mouth is!!).

Well I never! I've just noticed that this is my 2000th post!

paulzinho · 29 May 2002, 20:28 (Ref:299803)

Congratulations Aysedasi!!

Keep going!!!!

Liz · 30 May 2002, 16:59 (Ref:300544)

Thanks, Aysedasi. They're not racing this year I take it? With them and the Deborah out of contention, it's a hard call to make! But I will vote for the MBD Panoz Mugen LMP-07 Slightly Faster Than A Brick Mobile.

FG1 · 30 May 2002, 17:11 (Ref:300559)

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Originally posted by Liz
But I will vote for the MBD Panoz Mugen LMP-07 Slightly Faster Than A Brick Mobile.

Hmmm.... Milka in or out of the car, what would I rather see?

FG

viper_man · 30 May 2002, 17:42 (Ref:300616)

itll either be one of the gt porsches simply because theres so many and theyll probably take each other out, or the morgan because of inexperience. i also reckon the ferrari's could struggle after a while.

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