So then who's going to win the championship.

[Teretonga]

I'd like to see LH win it too.

I had earlier predicted that LH would score 112 points but even if he finishes fourth (5 points) on Sunday that will not win it if FA wins...
So if FA wins LH really has to finish second because a third will tie on points and FA will have more wins...
If Kimi wins and Alonso second a fourth will do it for LH

I voted for KR.... Because I am afraid he just might do it.

[Oldtony]

I presume someone has predicted that Kimi will finish 2nd 108 points, Nando 4th 108points and Hamilton 8th 108 points.
That of course would mean that Kimi would win on a countback of number of wins as he already has five.
The rest of the world would be most amused by the uproar in the UK and Spanish media, Kim�* would say little, but have a sly little grin on his face, and duck off to have a few bevvys with the team and his mates.
Most of the world would think that was a very fitting result in terms of the good guy winning.

[mjstallard]

Whilst logic and my wishes point towards Lewis wrapping it up nicely next weekend I can't help but think that there'll be some drama between the McLaren chaps at some point during the race weekend that jeopardises their race/potentially ruins it. Kimi could be a nice outside bet

[duke_toaster]

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...ernando+alonso

Lewis will!

[Knowlesy]

And then the contract war post Brazil: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...ernando+alonso

[duke_toaster]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

And then the contract war post Brazil: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...ernando+alonso

And the battle of the commentators!

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...2=martin+haven

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by duke_toaster

And the battle of the commentators!

All the above results are so obviously fixed.

[Andrew2001]

Fernando.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Andrew2001

Fernando.

My choice also.

The whole Alonso-Hamilton fun and games harks back to Williams back in '96, with Hill-Villeneuve....

Mr Williams and Mr Head didnt have the risk management view in place to stop them killing each other either.... instead, punting the winner at the end of the year....

Hopefully Mr Alonso can get punted to somewhere like Toyota.. and drag them up the field...

[flying finn]

With a number of points permutations possible in the final race the FIA count-back rules may come into play > from the 2007 Formula One Sporting Regulations

DEAD HEAT

24) Prizes and points awarded for all the positions of competitors who tie, will be added together and shared equally.
25) If two or more constructors or drivers finish the season with the same number of points, the higher place in the Championship (in either case) shall be awarded to :
a) the holder of the greatest number of first places,
b) if the number of first places is the same, the holder of the greatest number of second places,
c) if the number of second places is the same, the holder of the greatest number of third places and so on until a winner emerges.
d) if this procedure fails to produce a result, the FIA will nominate the winner according to such criteria as it thinks fit.

[jab]

Originally Posted by duke_toaster

And the battle of the commentators!

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...2=martin+haven

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php...ernando+Alonso

[gwynnes1]

I was playing around with "what ifs" about the Brazilian F! race and came up with the following conundrum:

IF the finish order is:

Raikonen 1st

Alonso 2nd

Massa (or someone else other than Hamilton) 3rd

Someone other than Hamilton 4th.the result would be a TIE between Hamilton and Alonso for

Tie, Points the same at 111

Tie, First place finishes the same at 4 each

Tie, 2nd place finsishes at 5 each

Tie, 3rd place finsishes at 3 each

The tie does NOT get broken until you come to poles won

Hamilton wins with 6 poles to Alonso's 2, regardless of who gets the pole in Brazil, Hamiltons will have more than Alsonso.

SOOO - the big question is - What is the official method of breaking a tie such as I described??

I spent a LOT of time on Google and could noy find anything past points and 1st place finishes. I sure hope the great moguls that run the sport have thought of this kind of problem.

Gwyne Spencer

[mac]

Originally Posted by martyn bott

Yes,he'll play the part of an innocent by-stander.

According to the Hamiltons, he's been doing that all year at McLaren.

I think Lewis will take it - would have been even more interesting if not for the five points Lewis was gifted over Alonso in Hungary.

[Ralf's Girl]

Originally Posted by gwynnes1

SOOO - the big question is - What is the official method of breaking a tie such as I described??

Here's the regulation on dead heats from 2007 F1 sporting regs:

If two or more constructors or drivers finish the season with the same number of points, the higher place in the Championship (in either case) shall be awarded to:

a) the holder of the greatest number of first places,

b) if the number of first places is the same, the holder of the greatest number of second places,

c) if the number of second places is the same, the holder of the greatest number of third places and so on until a winner emerges.

d) if this procedure fails to produce a result, the FIA will nominate the winner according to such criteria as it thinks fit.

So in answer to your question, there isn't one.

[Jimmy Magnusson]

Originally Posted by gwynnes1

I was playing around with "what ifs" about the Brazilian F! race and came up with the following conundrum:

IF the finish order is:

Raikonen 1st

Alonso 2nd

Massa (or someone else other than Hamilton) 3rd

Someone other than Hamilton 4th.the result would be a TIE between Hamilton and Alonso for

Tie, Points the same at 111

Tie, First place finishes the same at 4 each

Tie, 2nd place finsishes at 5 each

Tie, 3rd place finsishes at 3 each

The tie does NOT get broken until you come to poles won

Hamilton wins with 6 poles to Alonso's 2, regardless of who gets the pole in Brazil, Hamiltons will have more than Alsonso.

SOOO - the big question is - What is the official method of breaking a tie such as I described??

I spent a LOT of time on Google and could noy find anything past points and 1st place finishes. I sure hope the great moguls that run the sport have thought of this kind of problem.

Gwyne Spencer

If Hamilton is 5th he wins, because he will have 2 5th places to Alonso's 1.

[Ralf's Girl]

Damn, I was hoping to find out what criteria the FIA deems appropriate for deciding a championship.

[gwynnes1]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Magnusson

If Hamilton is 5th he wins, because he will have 2 5th places to Alonso's 1.

Where did you find information that the F1 official method of deciding championship goes all the way down to 5th place finsishes? I was unable to find any official site that described the process.

Gwynne Spencer

[Ralf's Girl]

See post #314 - according to clause c of the rule I posted, the countback pattern continues right through all points finishes if that's necessary to decide a winner.

[ralf fan]

Originally Posted by Ralf's Girl

Damn, I was hoping to find out what criteria the FIA deems appropriate for deciding a championship.

Rumor has it they will nominate the driver that can count from 1-5 the fastest. Unconfirmed however.

[Knowlesy]

Originally Posted by Ralf's Girl

Damn, I was hoping to find out what criteria the FIA deems appropriate for deciding a championship.

"We can't decide, so we'll give it to Kimi instead!"

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

"We can't decide, so we'll give it to Kimi instead!"

Yes,and there's still plenty of time for another "Spygate" between now and the race.

[Marbot]

And just in case you deluded yourself into thinking that everything would be neatly tied up after Sunday's race,here's a little something to ponder on with regards to the "customer" car situation.

From grandprix.com today.

"If Spyker wins the case the Toro Rosso and Super Aguri cars will not have been eligible to score points and thus will have to be removed from the championship. This has implications for the World Championship as Fernando Alonso finished behind Super Aguri's Takuma Sato in Canada and would thus gain back a point."

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

"We can't decide, so we'll give it to Kimi instead!"

Just to be serious for a moment, how could the FIA possibly decide for one driver over another?

We'll give it to Fernando because he helped us out with the spygate row?
We''ll give it to Lewis because he wasn't involved in the spygate row?

It would never get to that i'm sure, but i don't, for the life of me see how the FIA could decide, and would it want to put itself in that position? It could only come out as the loser whatever it decided.

[Knowlesy]

I suspect they made this sporting reg entry with the confidence they'll never have to use the last option!

If they ever have to they are in a spot of bother.

[Bleu]

Talking about tie-breakers, in 2000 International F3000 there was very interesting situation with two races to go.

In 8 races, Bruno Junqueira and Nicolas Minassian were equal on points, both had:
3 wins
1 second
1 fifth
1 seventh
1 DNF

8th result for Minassian was 11th and for Junqueira 13th! Would have been interesting tiebraker for sure.

Anyway, BJ had win and non-points finish, NM had 3rd and 4th. With 10-6-4-3-2-1 point system, Junky won the title.