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Old 24 Jan 2017, 04:52 (Ref:3704650)   #61
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Indeed, the last time I actually watched an FI car in action was at Brands, in 1994; accidentally...
I don't mean to be confrontational but the statement above begs the question:

"How do you know that today's F1 is not as good as it was in the olden days, if you don't watch it?"

I have watched/followed F1 fairly religiously for the past 35 - 40 years. Some of the races were good, some were boring and some were excellent. All seasons have had something to keep me coming back.
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Old 24 Jan 2017, 09:06 (Ref:3704695)   #62
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For all of you getting excited at the prospect of an Ecclestone-free F1... be careful what you wish for...
Yup, perhaps a case of "better the devil you know". I just hope whatever comes to replace him isn't something even worse.
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Old 24 Jan 2017, 09:22 (Ref:3704698)   #63
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I don't mean to be confrontational but the statement above begs the question:

"How do you know that today's F1 is not as good as it was in the olden days, if you don't watch it?"

I have watched/followed F1 fairly religiously for the past 35 - 40 years. Some of the races were good, some were boring and some were excellent. All seasons have had something to keep me coming back.
Well said Sir!

I have followed it since the 50's and look forward to every season. Obviously each era has strengths and weaknesses and we must move on. Historic racing is an opportunity to see what the differences are and perhaps I lack something or am easily pleased by continuing to watch, albeit mostly on TV.

We shall see what the changes bring but to do so we must watch.
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Old 24 Jan 2017, 09:25 (Ref:3704699)   #64
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I don't mean to be confrontational but the statement above begs the question:

"How do you know that today's F1 is not as good as it was in the olden days, if you don't watch it?"

I have watched/followed F1 fairly religiously for the past 35 - 40 years. Some of the races were good, some were boring and some were excellent. All seasons have had something to keep me coming back.
Well the last time I attended an actual GP was the British GP at Silverstone in 1973. MY team were in a support race.

Massive crash at the end of lap one. All rather silly.

I was also at Brands in 1971 for the World Championship Victory Race; so very sadly Seppi (Jo Siffert) was killed. I was standing immediately opposite the site (Strangely enough, next to Jenks).

Some time later, I was enjoying a pint and a chat in my motor sport club's bar with a senior member who was also at that time a member of the RAC Competitions Committee, who had the onerous task of considering Siffert's accident and the Post Mortem results.

He told me all about it. Very sad and unnecessary fatality.

Perhaps for myself, Jonesy Boy (Alan Jones) stating the reason he retired was "There is no way I am gonna ******* risk my life to drive a turbocharged go-kart with my arse one inch off the ground, Mate!"

The sliding skirt era was perhaps the crux of the insanity of motor racing being driven by technology; and sponsor's large wallets.

And carnage. Guess who led the charge?

"By 1980 escalating cornering speeds was becoming a real concern. It was the focal point of a furious dispute between the governing body FISA, typically supported by the manufacturer teams Ferrari, Renault and Alfa Romeo, and the constructors’ association FOCA, led by Brabham boss Bernie Ecclestone."

Good analysis Here:

A small little known tale: Chunky (Chapman) at one time dreamed up his vision of the ultimate monoposto racing car. It would have a very flat engine/transmission and the driver would lie flat out facing forward, operating the pedals at the rear. The wind resistance would be very low.

He apparently floated this Daliesque insanity past the regulators who sort of told him to see a shrink!

I wonder just how many "F1 Enthusiasts" regularly attend meetings: following the circus all around the globe?

Very few I posit. Watch in on the box, mostly, I suggest.

Today, can actual spectators visit the paddock? Mingle with the drivers and teams? Properly participate in the event?

I used to; and that was real motor racing.
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Old 24 Jan 2017, 11:12 (Ref:3704720)   #65
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Thank you Bernie, I congratulate you on an outstanding career, time now to relax and allow Liberty Media to take us into 2017 and beyond ...

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Old 24 Jan 2017, 11:19 (Ref:3704721)   #66
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It's going to interesting seeing how F1 develops under Liberty ownership with Bernie in a back seat (or should that be the boot or trunk in America).
I suspect we will start to see changes in how things happen in the near future.

A few that are currently on the horizon are the renewal of team contracts, only Renault has a contract beyond 2020.
Silverstone and how the new rules for 2017 will work out as they are likely to lead to less overtaking.
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Old 24 Jan 2017, 11:58 (Ref:3704737)   #67
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As a child of the sixties GH was one of my heroes, waving the flag for Britain, larger than life, jolly good fellow, all that stuff. But once i learnt the truth about that night it all changed for me. I'll say no more.
You might want to read Damon's recent autobiography, 'Watching The Wheels'– an extraordinarily literary achievement for a racing driver(!) and poignantly candid about 'the crash'.

Graham almost certainly made an error of judgement which definitely had tragic consequences. But it doesn't diminish his stature in the history of the sport.
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Old 24 Jan 2017, 12:05 (Ref:3704738)   #68
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Well the last time I attended an actual GP was the British GP at Silverstone in 1973. MY team were in a support race.

Massive crash at the end of lap one. All rather silly.

I was also at Brands in 1971 for the World Championship Victory Race; so very sadly Seppi (Jo Siffert) was killed. I was standing immediately opposite the site (Strangely enough, next to Jenks).

Some time later, I was enjoying a pint and a chat in my motor sport club's bar with a senior member who was also at that time a member of the RAC Competitions Committee, who had the onerous task of considering Siffert's accident and the Post Mortem results.

He told me all about it. Very sad and unnecessary fatality.

Perhaps for myself, Jonesy Boy (Alan Jones) stating the reason he retired was "There is no way I am gonna ******* risk my life to drive a turbocharged go-kart with my arse one inch off the ground, Mate!"

The sliding skirt era was perhaps the crux of the insanity of motor racing being driven by technology; and sponsor's large wallets.

And carnage. Guess who led the charge?

"By 1980 escalating cornering speeds was becoming a real concern. It was the focal point of a furious dispute between the governing body FISA, typically supported by the manufacturer teams Ferrari, Renault and Alfa Romeo, and the constructors’ association FOCA, led by Brabham boss Bernie Ecclestone."

Good analysis Here:

A small little known tale: Chunky (Chapman) at one time dreamed up his vision of the ultimate monoposto racing car. It would have a very flat engine/transmission and the driver would lie flat out facing forward, operating the pedals at the rear. The wind resistance would be very low.

He apparently floated this Daliesque insanity past the regulators who sort of told him to see a shrink!

I wonder just how many "F1 Enthusiasts" regularly attend meetings: following the circus all around the globe?

Very few I posit. Watch in on the box, mostly, I suggest.

Today, can actual spectators visit the paddock? Mingle with the drivers and teams? Properly participate in the event?

I used to; and that was real motor racing.
Great stories!

I wish I had the opportunity to watch racing back then but at times, I'm glad I didn't.

I've watched on the box since 90s. Does this make me any less of a fan if I could go to every race around the world?

The exclusivity of the sport can make it more appealing and I cannot imagine the logistical and security nightmare of allowing everyone into the paddock.

As for safety pioneers and Bern....
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Old 24 Jan 2017, 12:45 (Ref:3704745)   #69
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I hope he lives to 110 and is successful in whatever non-motorsport related activity he decides to partake in.

But in respect to his professional responsibilities pertaining to F1?

It's a "good riddance" from me.
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It's a good riddance from me too.
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Old 24 Jan 2017, 15:05 (Ref:3704765)   #71
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Now he has a bit more time on his hands he might like to buy Manor. If he was a bit mischievous he could then take up Liberty's share offer to the teams.Why,they might even elect him to do the negotiating for all the teams. Could be fun.
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Old 24 Jan 2017, 15:26 (Ref:3704768)   #72
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Now he has a bit more time on his hands he might like to buy Manor. If he was a bit mischievous he could then take up Liberty's share offer to the teams.Why,they might even elect him to do the negotiating for all the teams. Could be fun.
Wait a minute, I've heard this sort of malarkey before...
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Old 24 Jan 2017, 16:21 (Ref:3704775)   #73
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Racer has an article out on Bernie being kicked to the curb, including statements Chase Carey made to the BBC:

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"Bernie is a one-man team," Carey told the BBC. "It was not right in today's world. The decision-making is not as effective as it needs to be. Clearly it has to be improved.

"I don't know whether the decision-making is not what it should be because there is too much history amongst the players.

"One of the benefits we bring is a fresh start. We don't have an agenda other than to make the sport great for its fans and that gives us an opportunity to look at how do we create more of a partnership – everybody has a shared vision of where do we want got go and we can align that vision and have everybody trying to move in the same direction."
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he is certainly saying all the right things...thats what makes me nervous (and also a cynic)!
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An awful lot of haters on here.Before BE took up the mantle,F1 was a part time sport.One of my mates worked for Brabham every season,all he got was his food,& x's,then BE asked for all the mechanics toolboxes,to spray them team colours,they refused,so BE took the gamble,bought all new kit,& branded it all Parmalat,& Brabham started making money.BE applied the same thinking to the TV rights,& they all started making money,so ,without Bernie,there would be no F1 as we know it.
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