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Old 17 Feb 2017, 12:07 (Ref:3712818)   #2126
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out of last years livery's I was a big fan of Chris Smiley's HARD Avensis!



Really great shade of Blue, HARD' livery has always been about being able to spot the cars a mile off, and surely the main point of anything now-a-days is to get you talking about it.......love it or loathe it...STILL TALKING ABOUT IT!
Completely forgot about that car, that is a beaut to be fair.
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Old 17 Feb 2017, 12:34 (Ref:3712822)   #2127
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Stewart Lines is obviously well in the mend, he was out in one if their VW Cup cars getting in some mileage as the Focus isn't ready yet.
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Old 17 Feb 2017, 12:47 (Ref:3712827)   #2128
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Ha, yes, multi class days of the championship were great fun but brought up some "odd" results. Now what year was it that Tony Lanfranchi won it in a Moskovich, may have been more than one year IIRC?

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Old 17 Feb 2017, 12:56 (Ref:3712830)   #2129
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Ha, yes, multi class days of the championship were great fun but brought up some "odd" results. Now what year was it that Tony Lanfranchi won it in a Moskovich, may have been more than one year IIRC?

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Old 17 Feb 2017, 13:04 (Ref:3712833)   #2130
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Ha, yes, multi class days of the championship were great fun but brought up some "odd" results. Now what year was it that Tony Lanfranchi won it in a Moskovich, may have been more than one year IIRC?

I think that was the Production Saloon Championship (where the class structures were based on retail price) and not the BTCC.
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Old 17 Feb 2017, 13:52 (Ref:3712844)   #2131
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Didn't the ETCC once have points for overall position added to the points for your in class?
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Old 17 Feb 2017, 15:51 (Ref:3712885)   #2132
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To fuel to the WSR BMW speculation, interesting comment on AJ and his RX drive on Autosport....


'Since then he has had a relationship with Mattias Ekstrom's EKS Audi team that included a start at Franciacorta in 2015 and demonstration and reserve duties last year.
But his move to WSR BMW for the 2017 BTCC precluded working with the factory-supported Audi RX effort and prompted the move to MJP's Ford Fiesta.'



http://www.autosport.com/news/report...world-rx-start
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Old 17 Feb 2017, 16:19 (Ref:3712889)   #2133
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To fuel to the WSR BMW speculation, interesting comment on AJ and his RX drive on Autosport....


'Since then he has had a relationship with Mattias Ekstrom's EKS Audi team that included a start at Franciacorta in 2015 and demonstration and reserve duties last year.
But his move to WSR BMW for the 2017 BTCC precluded working with the factory-supported Audi RX effort and prompted the move to MJP's Ford Fiesta.'
it's well known that BMW give the WSR drivers road cars and other assistance, so for sure they wouldn't want them driving another german manufacturers car.
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Old 17 Feb 2017, 18:43 (Ref:3712910)   #2134
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Stewart Lines is obviously well in the mend, he was out in one if their VW Cup cars getting in some mileage as the Focus isn't ready yet.
Read today that Stewarts team Maximum Motorsport are offering a prize of a run out in their BTCC car to the top three finishers in this year's VW Cup. Good on him 😀
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Old 17 Feb 2017, 19:14 (Ref:3712915)   #2135
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What kind of power output do the 2016/2017 BTCC cars have?
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Old 17 Feb 2017, 19:28 (Ref:3712917)   #2136
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Read today that Stewarts team Maximum Motorsport are offering a prize of a run out in their BTCC car to the top three finishers in this year's VW Cup. Good on him 😀
Ironically is likely to mean giving a test to a Team Hard junior...!
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Old 17 Feb 2017, 20:12 (Ref:3712923)   #2137
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What kind of power output do the 2016/2017 BTCC cars have?
From btcc.net

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350+bhp 2-litre turbo-charged direct-injection engine with ‘fly by wire’ throttle control
Low cost to develop, build, buy and maintain – either by teams and/or race engine-builders developing their own, or through lease/purchase of the 2017 revised specification TOCA-BTCC Swindon prepared engine'


From mattneal.co.uk

'POWER (BHP): 350
TORQUE (NM): 400'
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Old 17 Feb 2017, 21:51 (Ref:3712936)   #2138
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So from the source that predicted the Vauxhall PMR deal, Jordan to WSR, Goff at Eurotech, Cooked ousted for Lloyd & Taylor-Smith at 888, Turks at WSR is saying Collard at WSR & Howard at BMR!!!!
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Old 17 Feb 2017, 22:04 (Ref:3712939)   #2139
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So from the source that predicted the Vauxhall PMR deal, Jordan to WSR, Goff at Eurotech, Cooked ousted for Lloyd & Taylor-Smith at 888, Turks at WSR is saying Howard at BMR!!!!
Hope this a joke... surely BMR have more sense than that. Nice guy I'm sure, but if he gets the drive instead of someone like Cook or Welch...
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Old 17 Feb 2017, 22:46 (Ref:3712944)   #2140
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Hope this a joke... surely BMR have more sense than that. Nice guy I'm sure, but if he gets the drive instead of someone like Cook or Welch...
Bills need paying!

I see Handy have built a new car for Rob Austin. Shame they haven't facelifted it.
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Old 17 Feb 2017, 23:05 (Ref:3712947)   #2141
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Hope this a joke... surely BMR have more sense than that. Nice guy I'm sure, but if he gets the drive instead of someone like Cook or Welch...
BMR have their team leader, everyone else is there to fund things. If their objectives don't match the team's aspirations, they'll be informed that they are no longer required.
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Old 18 Feb 2017, 08:33 (Ref:3712986)   #2142
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BMR have their team leader, everyone else is there to fund things. If their objectives don't match the team's aspirations, they'll be informed that they are no longer required.
It would help with BMR's apparent tactics to create a fortuitous red flag for their lead drivers when needed! 😉
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Old 18 Feb 2017, 11:11 (Ref:3713000)   #2143
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Hope this a joke... surely BMR have more sense than that. Nice guy I'm sure, but if he gets the drive instead of someone like Cook or Welch...
Sadly the likes of Cook, Welch & Abbott only have partial backing and I believe this seat requires a 'full price' budget and being a top line drive it's not cheap and out of most people's budget range.

Let's hope if the rumour is true that Howard is more use to RWD machinery!

Looking at the positives Collard in the 3rd WSR would give Dick & the WSR crew an incredibly strong like up.
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It's no big deal. They already have two race winners in their team, the other two are just there because they enjoy it. I too hope Howard is better with RWD
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Old 18 Feb 2017, 17:01 (Ref:3713028)   #2145
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Can't imagine who would want to sponsor Howard after last year, though - except maybe a bumper repair or gravel trap company! (although, granted he did get a lot of coverage last year... just not quite as intended)

Seemed to have a different sponsor every round though, really can't imagine he'll have the backing?

Again, feel like I'm really having a go at him - nice guy but not cut out for the BTCC.
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Old 18 Feb 2017, 19:44 (Ref:3713037)   #2146
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Mark Howard's Facebook info states "British touring car championship race driver with ***?"

BMR has 3 letters too.......
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I must admit I can only echo others thoughts on Mark Howard. He's a lovely man, and a decent enough gentleman racer in the Clios, but the BTCC is a step too far for him. I felt really sorry for him at stages last year, especially at Croft, where he looked terribly uncomfortable in the car.
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BMR have a new driver for the "tactical safety car"

what are the bets that say a BMR needs to close a bigger gap towards the front Howard "somehow" causes a safety car ?
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Mark Howard's Facebook info states "British touring car championship race driver with ***?"

BMR has 3 letters too.......
.... as does WSR and BKR which is what his twitter account still says from last year!
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.... as does WSR and BKR which is what his twitter account still says from last year!
I'm thinking that too.

Mark Howard said in interview, granted he was in a state of shock, after the Snetterton shunt that he was struggling in BTCC and felt out of his depth - words to that effect anyway.

I genuinely do not think we will see him return. He came, he tried and I think he could garner respectable results in say British GT.
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