WTCC Race 1 & 2 - Curitiba (BRA), 8th March 2009 - Page 2

Matt · 7 Mar 2009, 20:32 (Ref:2411145)

Ugh, another walkover for those stupid friggen diesels. SEAT TDi's 1-5 in qualifying.
http://www.fiawtcc.com/Read_News.asp?idnews=57

Les · 7 Mar 2009, 20:48 (Ref:2411151)

yeah the change in qualifying format didn't help the slip-streaming. Bored with that already!

Great qualifying for Tom B - really chuffed with that.

**touringlegend** · 7 Mar 2009, 20:58 (Ref:2411161)

Doesn't bode well for your enjoyment of the WTCC this year, does it Matt?

There was a lot of talk about the cars working together slipstreaming, that just doesn't seem to be happening at BMW, despite cars being run by different teams they should work together better.

Also, it's great to have a Touring Car series back in action again.

Matt · 7 Mar 2009, 21:19 (Ref:2411183)

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Originally Posted by touringlegend

Doesn't bode well for your enjoyment of the WTCC this year, does it Matt?

Nope, kill them all, with fire preferably.

Jon411 · 7 Mar 2009, 21:34 (Ref:2411197)

That qualifying session was far more boring than I can remember the old style being last year. It didn't help that the camera man kept on focusing on cars on slow down laps.

I didn't expect it - but I have to say that Felix Porteiro and Pro-Team have really impressed me so far - they already look like they are quite capable of running for consistent overall points finishes. Great job by Boardman as well

Hazard · 7 Mar 2009, 21:50 (Ref:2411205)

SEAT 1-5, nice domination there.

However, wasn't so much the car as everyone's stupid strategy. No one got their act together in that final session other than SEAT.

With Jorg Muller and Rob Huff out setting their own laps with no tow's, it's the other teams own fault that SEAT walked all over them.

chunder · 7 Mar 2009, 22:22 (Ref:2411222)

Kind of a shame though, pretty much guaranteed a win in bpoth races now that they have the monopoly of the grid, top three will race, otehrs will trya nd hold up then go for second race pole!

We need two more manufactureres at least to try and split up this rubbish

It's like DTM, damn shame!

**gomick** · 7 Mar 2009, 22:50 (Ref:2411246)

Where is Honda & Alfa this year? James Thompson running a selected race program

Hazard · 7 Mar 2009, 23:01 (Ref:2411252)

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Originally Posted by gomick

Where is Honda & Alfa this year? James Thompson running a selected race program

N-Tech are gone. Thommo likely to be in BTCC somewhere.

If Honda turn up, they'll be run by Campos - but looking unlikely - best see the WTCC 2009 season news thread for all the info.

c8nay · 8 Mar 2009, 04:46 (Ref:2411352)

Unless there is a Seat Sport scrap heap after the first corner, Seat should have the podium locked out for the first race, but I bet a certain BMW driver will be thinking more about being in a pole position to take a 2nd race home win.

Matt · 8 Mar 2009, 05:03 (Ref:2411358)

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Originally Posted by c8nay

Unless there is a Seat Sport scrap heap after the first corner,

One could only DREAM.

Hazard · 8 Mar 2009, 09:18 (Ref:2411437)

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Originally Posted by Matt

One could only DREAM.

Getting a little dull Matt. Stop repeating yourself.

awrb · 8 Mar 2009, 10:52 (Ref:2411498)

Does anybody know if coverage of the races will be streamed on the WTCC website this year like it was in the past? Some of us can't really afford digital tv at the moment.

429CJ · 8 Mar 2009, 11:41 (Ref:2411532)

Bring in the Superpole, no slipstreaming there

nickyf1 · 8 Mar 2009, 12:03 (Ref:2411548)

Any live streams? Freeview insits on not giving me Eurosport...

**FIRE** · 8 Mar 2009, 12:05 (Ref:2411552)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Nope, kill them all, with fire preferably.

Sorry I will not help you

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Originally Posted by awrb

Does anybody know if coverage of the races will be streamed on the WTCC website this year like it was in the past? Some of us can't really afford digital tv at the moment.

Try this:
http://www.myp2p.eu/competition.php?...ne=motorsports

I am surprised by the dominance of SEAT.

awrb · 8 Mar 2009, 15:14 (Ref:2411576)

Thanks FIRE. I'd hoped it would be on their site again but they've redone it and io couldn't find anything. Hope this works then.

Portiero was just behind Hernandez in quali, I would love it is he could beat him in the race, try to proove BMW wrong.

helterskelter · 8 Mar 2009, 20:16 (Ref:2411597)

Seat's dominance is killing the championship, they need to be stopped somehow. I'm not going to watch a Seat parade anymore, on wet track they were just stunning, go on the power and pass poor BMWs. Yeah, clear team effort, that one... Puig is only right

**Dani Filth** · 8 Mar 2009, 20:32 (Ref:2411606)

and yet Chevy and BMW were quicker .. ??
too bad Priaulx isn't driving a Seat then ..

**touringlegend** · 8 Mar 2009, 21:05 (Ref:2411640)

I don't see the Bureau being able to stick to this rule that if the cars are within 3 tenths of each other there's no change.

The SEAT's were obviously quicker / better even if the fastest laps say otherwise.

SALEEN S7R · 8 Mar 2009, 21:27 (Ref:2411650)

Found todays races to be pretty boring to be honest and exactly what i was expecting, Seat domination with BMW lagging a little way behind with chevrolet not quite having their act together just yet. The situation in the WTCC is similar to the situation we have in LMP racing at the moment, the rules favour diesel powered machinery, the FIA needs to address the performance gap between petrol and diesel engined cars. IMO.

stedevil · 9 Mar 2009, 03:32 (Ref:2411797)

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Originally Posted by touringlegend

The SEAT's were obviously quicker / better even if the fastest laps say otherwise.

No they were not. Chevy where just unlucky and BMW teams royally screwed up wet setups on all but 2 cars. J Müller went from 20th on the grid to 5th, easily passing the 4 BMW starting at grid 1-4. Amazing how people keep blaming Seat for BMW screwing up...

stedevil · 9 Mar 2009, 03:39 (Ref:2411800)

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Originally Posted by SALEEN S7R

the rules favour diesel powered machinery

Yeah sure, differences of 0.002s/lap DESPERATELY needs fixing.

stedevil · 9 Mar 2009, 05:00 (Ref:2411823)

BTW put together a small table to aid people in seeing the facts of actual car performance instead of getting lost in teams not being able to work as a team or just being unlucky (like eg Chevy in race 1). Weight = the weight compensation for next race if there WOULD be any such thing next race.

stedevil · 9 Mar 2009, 09:18 (Ref:2411956)

Grumble... shouldnt make spreadsheets so early in the morning. Here is a correct one. (Mods please delete the one above)

Model best 2 lap average	Qualy	Race1	Race2	Avrg	Diff	Weight
BMW 320si	1:24,693	1:25,729	1:34,999
behind best by	0,437	0,017	0,124	0,193	0,152	0kg
Leon TDI	1:24,256	1:25,711	1:34,997
behind best by	0,000	0,000	0,122	0,041	0,000	0kg
Leon TFSI	1:26,123	1:26,675	1:36,348
behind best by	1,868	0,964	1,472	1,435	1,394	-60kg
Cruze	1:24,683	1:25,806	1:34,876
behind best by	0,427	0,095	0,000	0,174	0,134	0kg
Lada 110	1:27,169	1:27,503	1:36,478
behind best by	2,913	1,792	1,603	2,103	2,062	-60kg

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