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5 Mar 2012, 10:10 (Ref:3035267)
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Ford... Out? In? Who With? Why?
Nissan came out a few weeks ago and announced a healthy injection of technical support, and funding, and promotional execution in the V8Supercar category wrapped around the Kelly Racing operation.
Holden came out last week and stated categorically that they are 100% behind V8Supercars, and extended deals with 888 and the WP/HRT operation. Ford said they will make a decision sometime or other but wont be rushed... Story Here Story Here Too So... we seem to have a couple of people at the top of the Ford tree who are making the right kind of noises about Ford's continued participation in V8Supercar... Indeed the Ford Australia CEO Mr Graziano was firmly tucked away in the FPR pit bunker for the weekend... in time for the 'factory' team to perhaps deliver on many years of unfulfilled promise... The V8X article is perhaps more pessimistic than the Speedcafe one, suggesting that the Ford V8supercar budget may continue on at a high level to the FPR team, with the other teams currently running Fords either reducing or perhaps even eliminating financial support for their operations. I thought it interesting that the 3 FPR-prepared cars were rebadged on Sunday at Clipsal, with their windscreens adorned with the Ford ECOBOOST brand... the 4 cylinder turbo Falcon we apparently have to have... while the other Ford team in SBR remained with the generic Ford branding on the windscreens... and the rest have Ford stickers here and there... Will Ford remain in the V8Supercar series on the way towards Car Of The Future? That they own a joint venture in the FPV business with the owner of FPR shouldnt preclude a rational look at promise versus delivery... blighted of course by a recency effect.. Will Ford remain with loyal soldiers SBR & DJR? Each team has been involved in the blue oval programs for some years, providing main game and customer teams with cars and equipment... will it continue.. or will these guys do as the V8X article suggests, and swap manufacturers? More importantly, will Ford actually let these teams know the investment their brand will make in their teams sooner rather than later so that either an alternative car manufacturer, or replacement sponsor, can be lined up to take the windscreen strips.... When there is no noise... its not necessarily a bad sign, but also not necessarily a good one neither.... |
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5 Mar 2012, 10:44 (Ref:3035291)
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This is the problem with Ford in Australia (and possibly the world). One moment they are spending big money on cars, drivers & image and next moment they are carving big money out of the sport.
They did that in the 70's, 80's, 90's and now. Holden in contrast keeps a consistent spend, never out, always a prescence, keeps pushing the key teams. If the writing is on the wall for Falcon and the v8 then by definition the the FPV side of the business is at risk. I recall FPV acknowledge this. What then of FPR, the team with all the resources but generally poor results until last weekend? |
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5 Mar 2012, 10:56 (Ref:3035296)
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What I thought was a little odd was that I don't think any of the Holden teams ran HOLDEN windscreen strips - HRT's HoldenWise coming the closest.
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5 Mar 2012, 11:01 (Ref:3035300)
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There's a line in V8X that says that they are feeling good about continuing relationships with their teams, not team (singular) but teams (plural).
Sounds pretty good to me! Winning in Holden's backyard in Adelaide with the Ford president there in the pits probably didn't do any harm. Talk about good timing! By the way, where was the Holden boss on the weekend, you know the one, the boss of the company that supposedly always supports motor racing to the hilt? |
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5 Mar 2012, 11:17 (Ref:3035309)
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5 Mar 2012, 11:39 (Ref:3035314)
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I didn't mention that Holden only seem to be giving any meaningful support to two teams next year. Not wht you would expect from a company that "keeps a consistent spend". Hmm... |
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6 Mar 2012, 00:52 (Ref:3035720)
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With less than 1,200 sales in February and a decision to be made on the next generation Falcon this year, maybe Ford are re-evaluating? http://www.theage.com.au/national/sm...305-1ue8t.html
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6 Mar 2012, 10:02 (Ref:3035839)
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The Territory is selling well and when combined with Falcon sales is more than what Toyota sells locally from their factory. Anything Toyota exports at the moment they would be losing a bucket of money on, so Toyota is in the most vulnerable position. Next… |
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6 Mar 2012, 10:48 (Ref:3035874)
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6 Mar 2012, 10:53 (Ref:3035877)
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7 Mar 2012, 01:59 (Ref:3036283)
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From what I read in a magazine a while back, the next gen Falcon and Mustang could share the same chassis.
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7 Mar 2012, 02:05 (Ref:3036285)
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7 Mar 2012, 05:52 (Ref:3036332)
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I wouldn't be too sad if they used the 2013 Ford Taurus body on the COTF. Just keep calling it a Falcon in Australia for the purists.
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8 Mar 2012, 17:44 (Ref:3037140)
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What's to stop a common platform that accepts front, rear and AWD being a Taurus, Mustang or Falcon?
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9 Mar 2012, 01:30 (Ref:3037343)
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Most FWD/AWD applications are transverse, most RWD are longitudinal. You'd say more than likely the One Ford policy is going to mean the Falcon is a re-skin of the Taurus, available in FWD or AWD. |
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9 Mar 2012, 09:31 (Ref:3037425)
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Dale Ford Collapses
Now this dealer is significant for a couple of reasons... it used to be the Jack Brabham Ford dealership out at Bankstown... and is/was one of the largest suppliers of fully kitted out new Falcon taxis to the Sydney market... While the sale of new cars isnt actually a money spinner for a dealership, the accompanying service & parts businesses generate most of the profit in the business. Conventional wisdom suggests that if new cars arent going out the door, then they arent able to be brought back to that dealer to be serviced.. and therefore profitability & cashflow are potentially compromised... Dealerships also have floorplan financing to maintain, where cars are transferred onto the books of the dealer, from the carmaker, (sometimes before possession is actually taken...  and sometimes the carmaker deposits cars in the dealer's responsibility without them actually ordering them...  ) and interest charges start percolating on the car. There are a number of dealerships around with cars in the 90+ days holding range, meaning roughly, that 1% per month of cost is added to each car every 30 days or so it is on the floorplan books. Some finance company's floorplans can also force dealerships to pay out cars of this age range, kicking them off that financing platform, moving into inventory. Now if there are too many of these things on the books... eventually a car dealership can run themselves dry of cash... Where do the cabbies go for their new blue oval moneymaker? 
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22 Mar 2012, 01:22 (Ref:3046310)
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It seems ironic that with all the talk in this thread about speculation of Ford dropping the Falcon that it should be Holden that is first to dump the Commodore!
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They're not dumping the Commodore at all (at this stage anyway) and are hinting at a stronger future for it as a platform. |
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