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Esteban Ocon is doing F1 duties that were originally planned for Jules Bianchi,
in the same manner Gerhard Berger did the ones planned for Stefan Bellof. We have to wait and see what happens in FI then in 2018. |
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no he isn’t! jules would have been at ferrari now and esteban is a mercedes driver...
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Not so sure, bella... Take the example of Elio de Angelis, a Ferrari development driver, backed in F2 with that badge, but in F1 finally was taken by Colin Chapman and Lotus.
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yeah, i'm looking at what actually happened and how it would have actually panned out, not irrelevant examples.
not sure what this has to do with force india's future anyway. it'll depend when mercedes want to promote ocon, which in all likelihood will depend on how bottas is getting on and what he wants to do. |
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Well then... Force India will change it's name to...
Force India!!! After all the hype, the name will remain as is. |
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huge coup for force india - they’ve managed to get havaianas to sponsor their halo. out-mclarening mclaren there quite nicely
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...ipflop-sponsor |
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apparently Mallya's legal troubles is again putting Force India in financial troubles. according to this article, Bob Fernley is quoted as admitting as much as well as saying that Williams have vetoed FI's request for an advance on its FOM prize money.
http://new.grandprix.com/news/force-...-survival.html i seem to recall Haas made a similar veto last year but ultimately withdrew their objection but with Williams on the decline i can see this not playing out as favorably for FI this year. if this is true, then poor form by Williams imo. more so because despite finishing behind FI last year they still make more money due to their historical payments and also because of the sizable pay driver money they take. although this is F1 so maybe Williams are using this to gain leverage on another issue. |
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Yeah, I've run out of patience for Claire and Williams in general. They like to preach the old school quality of the team and how they are the real F1, yet they are propped up a boy racer and his daddy's wallet. Stroll is quicker than the average bloke but an F1 leader he is not. Doubt he'll ever have a real shot of winning outside of a fluke rain or other shortened event with a strategy that puts him in the right place at the right time.
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Now we can look at what has happened since Stroll decided to go motor racing from the start to F1, he has injected a shed load of money into the sport, kept a lot of people in jobs I dare say and possibly even saved Williams from going under because he put his hand in his pocket and sponsored his son's racing. A lot of people are still employed because of it and I have to ask where the problem is. |
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Sometimes pay drivers are worth it, especially if they have some talent, like Stroll has
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As much as I respect the championship position that Force India have managed in the last two seasons,this problem seems like poetic justice.I remember when they made big efforts to prevent Manor/Marussia getting a payment that might just have kept them alive.
As for the Williams situation;just what do they expect from two number two drivers?I hope the FIA can find a way to get a couple more teams involved and may the best team thrive. |
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F1 has always been this. No, screw that, the whole of motor racing has always been like it. The pay drivers pay for the teams to develop a driver in the other seat, or to keep engineering talent employed, or simply cover the costs of the team running.
Look back over history and most years there are people bringing bags of gold. Stroll is quite good compared to the likes of Hector Rebaque, Giovanni Lavazzi, and that Israeli SAS guy who did Friday testing, so memorable I can't remember his name. Go back even further, Prince Bira immediately pre and post WW2 who burned a shed load of Siamese royal cash on motor racing. Celebrate the pay drivers they mean the teams stay in business. This is a harsh world, someone has to sign the cheques. If it means we get only professional teams and avoid disasters like Andrea Moda Formula, Lola F1 and so on then it's got to be good. Sent from my EVA-L09 using Tapatalk |
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This is about Force India really so the Williams situation should be discussed in the correct thread(s). But the sport has become so incredibly expensive and to an extent so far away from its ethos the need for pay drivers is exacerbated.
There will of course always be teams.who struggle and a change of regs won't solve it entirely. Likewise there may.be sponsors out there who would love to get involved but the costs far outweigh the benefits. Couple that with falling interest and you will always have this situation. Pay drivers have been around for many years. |
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Pretty much every F3 title ever?
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at the time, nelsinho piquet’s title was thought of fairly similarly?
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You are right of course!
And others have tried like Grubmuller when Merc has the car in their tunnel for 500 hours. Mind you at least he let Renger have the same parts, unlike 2016. |
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