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Old 27 Jul 2010, 19:41 (Ref:2734151)   #176
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@L.P.: where did you find this quote? I can not find it on the official ACO website. It is not mentioned in the English or French press release about the 2011 rules.
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Old 27 Jul 2010, 20:18 (Ref:2734183)   #177
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@L.P.: where did you find this quote? I can not find it on the official ACO website. It is not mentioned in the English or French press release about the 2011 rules.
It is in TWG minutes at Mike's . Yes I know it is the next set of rules, but....






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Old 28 Jul 2010, 00:03 (Ref:2734328)   #178
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But then again, maybe that's why Audi has built and even rallyed the E-Tron.
No way ray...

Based in La sarthe circuit the theoretically maximum capacity offered is (500Kj) 0,138Kw/h between 2 brake phases... contending that there is perhaps 9 times this in a lap, and 12 laps between stops, that will give ~15Kw/h MAXIMUM for those 12 laps.

E-tron II has a 45Kw/h battery pack...

Long story short... even with E-Tron II kind of battery packs it would be needed to replace batteries packs several times during a 24h race... because energy recovery is deficient ( the drivers aid BS)...

OTOH... 0,138Kw/h is 0.187627783 horsepower, that is right, much less than 1 additional horsepower/hour for each long straight in Lemans... makes one wonder if that is of any use for motoring purposes...

OTOH... 2 liter diesel for non hybrids have 37.3*2= 74.6MJ readily availables for each straight if that is the case(between 2 braking zones), which is 149x the case of hybrides... or considering the case of 12 laps, 20.7Kw/h more compared to the theoretical maximum of 15 Kw/h for the case of hybrid energy release.

This is the case i make for saying that ACO doesn't want hybrids... efficient ones that is ( its clear, distorted undue influences again ?)... or else they would make energy release between 2 brake zones FREE (no button, accelerator pedal drive), and battery max energy content 50Kw/h, i.e., more that double of those 2 liters of fuel( diesel=more energetic in the comparative).

And giving FREE release and up to 50Kw/h electric battery packs, would make petrol much more equal to diesels... electric energy would be equal for both.

Its clear. If it were to me, R18 wouldn't be having any hybrid motorization... and energy recovery only for fuel pre-heating, and electric energy generation by exhaust pressure for engine auxiliaries( pumps) electric drive, reducing the engine parasitic loads and augmenting efficiency that way.

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Old 28 Jul 2010, 01:00 (Ref:2734355)   #179
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But then again maybe they have developed a nuclear powered steam turbine to use as a drive unit!

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No!... maybe they developed a super-light weight exotic alloy/fabric, space stuff, to build their car... because the battery pack in E-Tron presented at Detroit weights 880 pounds = 399Kg... for only 45Kw/h.. which for a 930Kg car... would make only 531Kg (a F1 car) for all the rest.
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Old 28 Jul 2010, 03:37 (Ref:2734401)   #180
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I mean, damn, an R18 TDI Quattro, really?
That would make the Peugeot look like a Matchbox car.
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Old 10 Sep 2010, 06:54 (Ref:2757144)   #181
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According to http://twitpic.com/2mout4/full Audi is considering to return to ALMS, in combination with ILMC.

According to http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...tions-for-2011 3 American teams are in the running to get the multi-year program: Penske Racing, Highcroft Racing and Wayne Taylor Racing.
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Old 10 Sep 2010, 08:03 (Ref:2757165)   #182
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Hopefully if they pass on the responsibility of running the cars in the ALMS, they'll be allowing the team that's running the cars to bring them to Le Mans as well.
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Old 10 Sep 2010, 10:52 (Ref:2757213)   #183
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wow alms gt2 is going to be huge next year. with already bmw, porsche, ferrari,corvette,jaguar,ford,panoz,and now an Audi GT car. ALMS will need to adjust the the podium size maybe the top 5 will be the podium.
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Old 10 Sep 2010, 11:01 (Ref:2757215)   #184
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Audi very well knows that If penske racing is submitting a proposal penske just happen to be a shoe in for the next sportscar project. Well actually there is no discussion here. First of all Wayne Taylor Racing is quite a stretch to run prototypes and GT. As long as pagenaud and brabham drive for highcroft they will not get the deal because pagenaud will be driving a peugeot at next year lemans. Peugeot would have an inside man. Penske's a shoein with their sucess with porsche
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Old 10 Sep 2010, 11:30 (Ref:2757225)   #185
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oh and plus in terms of drivers i can see timo and romain in one car. with mike rockenfeller and lucas luhr in the other car. over the years there are just some driver pairings that come out on top because the two people know each other well. Timo and Romain seem to do everything together. Lucas Luhr seems to know Mike Rockenfeller well off the track. Andre Lotterer Benoit Treluyer and loic duval(they know eachotehr well off the track)(but he doesnt drive for audi) That would be another great combo to have in a car. I don't really get why audi chose Marcel fassler. In terms of size and weight if you just look at him he is the heaviest and largest driver in the squad. Some combos that are i see for the ALMS campaign are
1. McNish-Kristensen
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4.Treluyer-Lotterer(might have supergt and formula nippon clash)

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3.TRELUYER-LOTTERER-(LOIC DUVAL)If only they could coax him away from oreca and peugeot) Treluyer duval and lotterer know each other very well off track.
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Old 10 Sep 2010, 11:51 (Ref:2757230)   #186
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Also i don't agree with the Audi lineups for the International lemans cup. Lotterer and Treluyer and Fassler should not be racing at petit. they should be racing in the chinese rounds since they are known better in asia. The only reason this is happening is because the porsche hybrid tookrocky,dumas, and timo
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Old 10 Sep 2010, 12:40 (Ref:2757251)   #187
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According to http://twitpic.com/2mout4/full Audi is considering to return to ALMS, in combination with ILMC.

According to http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...tions-for-2011 3 American teams are in the running to get the multi-year program: Penske Racing, Highcroft Racing and Wayne Taylor Racing.
For shure it would be great to see Audi back but I have mixed feelings about the teams: The strong Penske operation would fit perfectly but I fear with the powerful backing of Audi the team quite simply would overrun the LMP category... Highcroft is very popular and a longtime supporter of the ALMS and it's safe to say the team would be a worthy representative of Audi but on the other and I think we would loose a strong HPD contender...

in an ideal I would love to see in 2011 Hghcroft with two HPD machines, Penske with two R18 and De Ferran back with one car on the grid. In addition with two Dyson Mazda's, the Cytosport RS Spyder, Intersport etc.

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Old 10 Sep 2010, 13:17 (Ref:2757264)   #188
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According to their press release, Audi is now concerned with competition and who they win against. That makes Penske's bid difficult since it will look bad if Audi walks over everybody and discourages some competitors from entering. Highcroft is even more questionable because that means hiring the best ALMS team and not getting competition from 2-time series champions.

And of course Wayne Taylor would need to step up his game (although he was pretty much the one behind the Cadillac prototype program in 2002) and to find a main sponsor...
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Right, it sure as heck wouldn't be SunTrust, at least not as long as there is a France-family member in the upper echelons at that company.
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Hindy saying from the booth at Silverstone that the R-18 is also very close to being on track.



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Old 10 Sep 2010, 16:22 (Ref:2757327)   #191
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Hindy saying from the booth at Silverstone that the R-18 is also very close to being on track.



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Damn I can't believe this. That's awesome news!
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Old 10 Sep 2010, 17:11 (Ref:2757356)   #192
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But there are no regulations...................

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But there are no regulations...................
Maybe not out for the public, but the manufacturers probably have the final drafts in their possession and know 98% of the guidelines needed to build their cars, the other 2% being tweaks once the final version is given.
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Old 10 Sep 2010, 17:21 (Ref:2757361)   #194
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Maybe not out for the public, but the manufacturers probably have the final drafts in their possession and know 98% of the guidelines needed to build their cars, the other 2% being tweaks once the final version is given.

It is questionable if the Mfgs. have the final draft, but I have to agree here in the general sense.




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Both Audi and Peugeot seemingly have cars that are ready to run in the very near future so that means they must have a very specific idea of the upcoming rules...

I still think Audi's plans to run the ALMS make no sense, there will most likely be no competition for a works effort.
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Both Audi and Peugeot seemingly have cars that are ready to run in the very near future so that means they must have a very specific idea of the upcoming rules...

I still think Audi's plans to run the ALMS make no sense, there will most likely be no competition for a works effort.
Same can be said of Peugeot if they run LMS next year! There'll be Aston Martin more than likely, but that team is run more as a privateer effort by Prodrive rather than a full factory effort. So, Peugeot might face no competition in the LMS either depending on how the ACO's regs work out, which seem to favor diesels and gas/KERS cars.
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Audi has been the only works team in the ALMS more than a few times before. It is silly on the surface, yes. Deeper down though, they are the benchmark manufacturer that others are interested in beating - particularly Acura, who wanted to have that shot in 2009. If you field it, they will come? Maybe not, but more more likely than if you don't.
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Same can be said of Peugeot if they run LMS next year! There'll be Aston Martin more than likely, but that team is run more as a privateer effort by Prodrive rather than a full factory effort. So, Peugeot might face no competition in the LMS either depending on how the ACO's regs work out, which seem to favor diesels and gas/KERS cars.
There are a bunch of good privateer LMP teams in the LMS: Rebellion, Prodrive, Oreca etc.

And in the ALMS? If Highcroft gets to run the Audis then there are zero big teams left as it is now. What point is there for Audi to race against semi-pro efforts like Drayson & Cytosport? Victories against them have no marketing-value whatsoever..

So don't tell me they wouldn't be better off in the LMS. What's up with you badmouthing the LMS and the ILMC all the time btw? You talk about the ILMC going away and whatnot...I don't get it.
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Audi had no problem racing Dyson in 2004 and 2005.

The presence of Audi in ALMS will perhaps attract more manufacturers. Porsche and later Acura came to ALMS because Audi was there.

Manufacturers don't like LMS because of the small crowds and bad TV coverage.
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