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For the topic of this thread, it does make me wonder how the current GTE teams would react to a GTish top prototype class. Would some of them step up and ignore their GTE programs or do a program in addition?
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LMP1 just fell by the explosion of the costs and the same thing happened at the end of 90's, I have the feeling that the ACO will take its precautions this time. if this GTish top prototype class happens, perhaps the most logical would be that the GTE transform into these GT1 or GTP rules and GTE-AM use GT3 cars. |
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Good way to ruin 2 classes! One of which has been pretty FRAKKING good for 15-ish years.
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If for this GTP cars will be used lmp1/lmp2 regs. chassis, it couldn't be much more expensive, surely cheaper than an lmp1. You can build any kind of car shape around that kind of carbon tub. Considering that new gte cost is about 1mln €, don't think that GTP cars could be more expensive. Example: take an lmp2 chassis, build around a bodywork looking like a LaFerrari. Fit inside the same road V12 6.2 (without hybrid stuff of course) and you get a new GTP. |
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I wonder if the new Toyota hypercar mentioned in the Toyota LMP1 thread has to do with this change of ideology of the ACO so that these hypercars are the Top class. |
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Those flights of the Corvette DPs occurred before the 4 holes of the body were placed in the part near to the wheels just like the LMP. When IMSA required the placement of these holes the cars did not fly any more and they did not have the fin.
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Yes the fins are ugly. I personally find the holes uglier myself, but I think we all agree both are ugly. But they do work. We do have less flying cars than we used to. Yes, there are circumstances where they haven't worked, but in the last 7-8 years combined, that adds up less to 2008 alone. The fins are ugly, but don't get your hopes up - it does help and they'll stay. It might as well be something we get used to. |
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GTLM cars don't flip!
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http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/ar...-new-shark-fin And it’s not there merely to keep the car straight. It works by offering an aero-obstacle once the car has yawed, or rotated, sideways beyond recovery, for whatever reason. Air rushing over the car side meets the fin and piles up against it, boosting pressure above the car side and cancelling the deadly lifting force. |
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Don't thank me! I tried to write it up, and it was like a 5 year old trying to explain how aerodynamics work I eventually gave up and Googled it.
Unfortunately, it does mean that we're probably stuck with the fins for a good while. They aren't pretty, but I don't see them going away, or the holes for that matter. Even if big GT concepts replaced LMPs. For what it's worth, I don't find the current LMPs THAT ugly. I don't know why, I just don't. I prefer them to the open top with a single seat, and I really didn't like LMP675 style. I like the current LMPs. 2016 Audi R18 was ugly though. |
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I understand that GT Proto is going to be more extreme than GTLM maybe at an intermediate point between GTE/GTLM and LMP1. Anyway as the cockpit is going to be bigger than LMP there is less place for a very big fin and it will definitely be smaller in the style of the Mercedes AMG Project One, Lamborghini Veneno or Glickenhaus p4/5 competizione.
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At this point GTE cars have aero that would be more prone to blowover than most GT3s, and those have with the worst possible consequences. One of the Vipers damn near blew over at VIR with the smaller overhangs and less pitch sensitive underbody of the old rules. It's a serious problem that hasn't been getting seriously addressed.
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If those gets high enough it should increase the possibility of a blow over. At the very least it won't be helpful.
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