2018 VASC Silly Season (with POLL)

[mceci1]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Nor should they have to..

So you're telling (or not) us you too think that Stanaway, shouldn't have come to development, just gone from a car with traction control, ABS, stability control, to a car with none of these and hope people will see them as successful?

The teams and drivers know the difficulty of the cars, yet the public seems to overlook it, and then when a driver doesn't perform, then they are the worst driver known to the series. This whole development time is a waste annoys me, and I am not the only one, I don't get fired up over much but this gets me going. It seems most here also see the point of Development, and so do the drivers, believe me, I know of some drivers who have seen comments here saying Richie shouldn't have done development laps and they were dumbfounded, it helped Richie (and hurt as the keyboard warriors will think its his game all the time). Any laps in a V8 Supercar is worth a huge amount to up and coming drivers.

Say a driver comes from these categories:

F1 - Few similarities
DTM - a few things similar, but not the same
WEC - a lot of assists to help them, need to learn 650+ horsepower of V8
NASCAR - Bigger, heavier, less sophisticated in the words of Skaife and Crompton

All take skill, yet all are very much chalk and cheese to one another.

My answer to the asked question is my opinion of it, and a few other people I know, some of those race in professional levels. It is all silly to say development doesn't pay, even if it is half a year, its better then nothing in my view.

[GTRMagic]

Isn't this the purpose of the Supercar Superlicence?

There are pilots in Super2 that you might not let push a shopping trolley let alone a main series Supercar. Does hanging around in Super2 for years automatically give a pilot the skills to be at the front in the main game?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Isn't this the purpose of the Supercar Superlicence?

There are pilots in Super2 that you might not let push a shopping trolley let alone a main series Supercar. Does hanging around in Super2 for years automatically give a pilot the skills to be at the front in the main game?

well in that case how many points does he have?

however just because a person has enough points does not mean they will be running at the front or better than the driver currently in the car

[mceci1]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Isn't this the purpose of the Supercar Superlicence?

There are pilots in Super2 that you might not let push a shopping trolley let alone a main series Supercar. Does hanging around in Super2 for years automatically give a pilot the skills to be at the front in the main game?

No, look at the Kostecki's, but it does give you one crucial thing if you have talent, a feel for a complex car

[chavez]

Originally Posted by mceci1

So you're telling (or not) us you too think that Stanaway, shouldn't have come to development, just gone from a car with traction control, ABS, stability control, to a car with none of these and hope people will see them as successful?

The teams and drivers know the difficulty of the cars, yet the public seems to overlook it, and then when a driver doesn't perform, then they are the worst driver known to the series. This whole development time is a waste annoys me, and I am not the only one, I don't get fired up over much but this gets me going. It seems most here also see the point of Development, and so do the drivers, believe me, I know of some drivers who have seen comments here saying Richie shouldn't have done development laps and they were dumbfounded, it helped Richie (and hurt as the keyboard warriors will think its his game all the time). Any laps in a V8 Supercar is worth a huge amount to up and coming drivers.

Say a driver comes from these categories:

F1 - Few similarities
DTM - a few things similar, but not the same
WEC - a lot of assists to help them, need to learn 650+ horsepower of V8
NASCAR - Bigger, heavier, less sophisticated in the words of Skaife and Crompton

All take skill, yet all are very much chalk and cheese to one another.

My answer to the asked question is my opinion of it, and a few other people I know, some of those race in professional levels. It is all silly to say development doesn't pay, even if it is half a year, its better then nothing in my view.

With very few exceptions in my 30 plus years of watching motorsport if a driver is not immediately quick when they start in a new category they are unlikely ever be quick no matter how may miles they might get.

Notable exceptions being Jimmie Johnson who was a midfield runner at best in the Busch Series ,(yes I know he won one race before his Cup debut) and closer to home Jamie Whincup.

You can slow 'em down but it is darn hard to speed 'em up.

[mceci1]

Originally Posted by chavez

With very few exceptions in my 30 plus years of watching motorsport if a driver is not immediately quick when they start in a new category they are unlikely ever be quick no matter how may miles they might get.

Notable exceptions being Jimmie Johnson who was a midfield runner at best in the Busch Series ,(yes I know he won one race before his Cup debut) and closer to home Jamie Whincup.

You can slow 'em down but it is darn hard to speed 'em up.

I'd say SVG, Courtney, Coulthard were also names who struggled initially but really came on to be decent drivers, as we all know, its a mix of driver and team. But key is mileage. You put someone like Lowndes as a driver coach for the likes of Marjoram, Brodie Kostecki or Fullwood and they will accelerate, sometimes they need that spark to help them. Whincup had it when he lost his seat, but your right, a lot can't be sped up.

[GTRMagic]

Meantime is AA this week, Mr Branagan suggests that Ms De Silvestro may have been scouting out opportunities beyond her Nissan location for next season.

The article indicated that Tekno may have been involved in discussions about a switch to the Holden brand.

NisMoAu says no way, there is a contract.

Yet you might imagine if you keep being slow in 2013-model gear, and the only one in the team with gear of that vintage, something will have to give soon..

[Umai Naa]

Perhaps the equipment is a reflection of the budget?

Perhaps, the Kelly Krate lives on?

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Perhaps the equipment is a reflection of the budget?

Perhaps, the Kelly Krate lives on?

I would imagine it to be complex for Supercar (and commercial friends) to withdraw support for a manufacturer supported team and place it at a privateer... especially when said manufacturer's participation is in flux.

[Umai Naa]

You'd have to imagine there would be a certain expectation on what specification the car runs in.

But then again, the bloke at the head of it all, seems to have a knack for selling pups to sponsors, teams, and drivers alike

[mceci1]

Where does Auto Fiction get their information from, I have seen a number of things from Auto Action including as GTR said, Nissan and Simona, GRM with 4 cars, and none of it has been true. I don't believe it unless its from Supercars.com or speedcafe as they are reasonably reliable

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by mceci1

Where does Auto Fiction get their information from, I have seen a number of things from Auto Action including as GTR said, Nissan and Simona, GRM with 4 cars, and none of it has been true. I don't believe it unless its from Supercars.com or speedcafe as they are reasonably reliable

They actually attend race meetings and speak to people... as funny as that might sound...

[mceci1]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

They actually attend race meetings and speak to people... as funny as that might sound...

So why did they claim GRM was moving to 4 cars, when GRM themselves said its not a possibility, they did look at it a while ago according to Garry, but its not a chance

[anthony81901]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

They actually attend race meetings and speak to people... as funny as that might sound...

Where there is a fair bit of gibberish beings spoken. To maintain readership, credibility needs to be maintained and stories like the GRM one which was clearly wrong don't help the cause.

[mceci1]

I mean seriously look at this, and I am not shooting the messanger, but there is no way that Will is headed back to PRA, as of Bright's retirement the team is looking at the young guns of Jacobson and Stanaway.

https://prnt.sc/gjplze

They got the GRM possibly expanding part right, but as of 2018, even GRM said they weren't looking at that and budget will probably not allow it in the near future, I don't care who wrote it, just because they say it doesn't mean its true, look at Mr Phelps, he goes to events and says the most ridiculous things such as mustang in 2018, neither of the Ford teams have anything set yet

https://prnt.sc/gjpmlm

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by mceci1

So why did they claim GRM was moving to 4 cars, when GRM themselves said its not a possibility, they did look at it a while ago according to Garry, but its not a chance

Why did the team owner get quoted directly in the articles?

Clearly you don't understand the purposes of some of these stories

[mceci1]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Why did the team owner get quoted directly in the articles?

Clearly you don't understand the purposes of some of these stories

Got the article to show it

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by mceci1

Got the article to show it

How do you choose to comment on its validity without it?

[Just Do It!]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

You'd have to imagine there would be a certain expectation on what specification the car runs in.

But then again, the bloke at the head of it all, seems to have a knack for selling pups to sponsors, teams, and drivers alike

You might need to be more specific about whether said bloke is head of the Nissan Racing outfit or otherwise? Please and thank you

[champcarman]

Long way to go yet in this silly season, team ownership, car makes etc.

[Umai Naa]

Originally Posted by Just Do It!

You might need to be more specific about whether said bloke is head of the Nissan Racing outfit or otherwise? Please and thank you

The same guy that handles Ms Gracie's affairs.

[mceci1]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

How do you choose to comment on its validity without it?

I am going off the comments you and Mayhem ( I think) made. Fairly reliable word, but for Auto Action to say things that no other site has even said is a long bow. No PRA Davison talk anywhere else, no talk about Simona anywhere else and Supercars made an article explaining the GRM situation, when only one journalist group says something I find it questionable

[Just Do It!]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

The same guy that handles Ms Gracie's affairs.

Oh right. Ms Gracie seems to respectable to have affairs

Katie Page won't want Simona disadvantaged in real Supercars, let alone e-Sport Supercars.

Go, Harvey Norman, Go!

[Umai Naa]

Affairs with reagrds to managing her racing career.

I suppose Mrs Page would probably hit the roof, if she understood the concept of the Kelly Krate.

[mceci1]

And what is that concept of the Kelly Crate Umai Naa, you haven't actually explained it too us, just that the head of Nissan is doing something