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Old 26 Oct 2008, 05:21 (Ref:2320878)   #1
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The Grand Prix 100: 80-71(a)

Life gets in the way of compiling silly lists, and in between now and the previous installment of the Grand Prix 100, the number of winners in the World Championship era increased by one. Luckily, he fit well into the following segment, so no big worries for now.

Drivers 100-91
Drivers 90-81


80: Jarno Trulli, Italy (1974- )
Active: 1997-present
Career Races: 201 (started 198)
Wins: 1
First Win: 2004 Monaco Grand Prix


79: Alessandro Nannini, Italy (1959- )
Active: 1986-1990
Career Races: 78 (started 76)
Wins: 1
First Win: 1989 Japanese Grand Prix


78: Lorenzo Bandini, Italy (1935-1967)
Active: 1961-1967
Career Races: 42
Wins: 1
First Win: 1964 Austrian Grand Prix


77: Johnny Herbert, United Kingdom (1964-)
Active: 1989-2000
Career Races: 195 (started 161)
Wins: 3
First Win: 1995 British Grand Prix
Last Win: 1999 European Grand Prix


76: Piero Taruffi, Italy (1906-1988)
Active: 1950-1956
Career Races: 19 (started 18)
Wins: 1
First Win: 1952 Swiss Grand Prix


75: Jean-Pierre Beltoise, France (1937- )
Active: 1967-1974
Career Races: 88 (started 86)
Wins: 1
First Win: 1972 Monaco Grand Prix


74: Jochen Mass, Germany (1946- )
Active: 1973-1982
Career Races: 114 (started 105)
Wins: 1
First Win: 1975 Spanish Grand Prix


73: Jenson Button, United Kingdom (1980- )
Active: 2000-present
Career Races: 154 (started 152)
Wins: 1
First Win: 2006 Hungarian Grand Prix


72: Robert Kubica, Poland (1984- )
Active: 2006-present
Career Races: 39
Wins: 1
First Win: 2008 Canadian Grand Prix


71: Heikki Kovalainen, Finland (1981- )
Active: 2007-present
Career Races: 34
Wins: 1
First Win: 2008 Hungarian Grand Prix


71(a): Sebastian Vettel, Germany (1987-)
Active: 2007-present
Career Races: 25
Wins: 1
First Win: 2008 Italian Grand Prix

I'll be back soon with supplemental text.

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Old 26 Oct 2008, 08:29 (Ref:2320933)   #2
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So my next 10 (in order of first win): Taruffi, Bandini, Ginther, Siffert, Beltoise, Pace, Mass, Herbert, Button, Kovalainen.
7/10 correct there in earlier topic. Of course Vettel won his first after that so couldn't count him.

I have to think my next ten for a while. Ginther, Siffert and Pace are three of them anyway, but I have to choose seven others.
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Old 26 Oct 2008, 09:19 (Ref:2320968)   #3
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Sorry to nit pick but iirc, Johnny Herbert was born in 1964 if it's possible to edit that little bit?
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Old 26 Oct 2008, 14:36 (Ref:2321107)   #4
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Old 26 Oct 2008, 14:49 (Ref:2321114)   #5
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Nicely done. Is this in random order or how you actually rate them? Because I would have Robert higher than Heikki. IMO anyways.
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Old 26 Oct 2008, 17:18 (Ref:2321175)   #6
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Nicely done. Is this in random order or how you actually rate them? Because I would have Robert higher than Heikki. IMO anyways.
I haven't added the supplemental text yet, but it describes how I could not fairly judge which of Kubica, Kovalainen, and Vettel should be higher on the list, so I just listed them in chronological order based on their time of victory.
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Old 26 Oct 2008, 17:21 (Ref:2321176)   #7
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Nicely done. Is this in random order or how you actually rate them? Because I would have Robert higher than Heikki. IMO anyways.
You took the words from my mouth... the order appears to be random alright.
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Old 26 Oct 2008, 17:27 (Ref:2321179)   #8
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Obviously, everyone on the forum will have their own opinion, and it won't tally exactly with Fish_Flake's.
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Does it matter?

Top stuff Fish_Flake.
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Old 26 Oct 2008, 17:47 (Ref:2321185)   #10
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I haven't added the supplemental text yet, but it describes how I could not fairly judge which of Kubica, Kovalainen, and Vettel should be higher on the list, so I just listed them in chronological order based on their time of victory.
I think maybe this is the best way to rate them, so far !
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Obviously, everyone on the forum will have their own opinion, and it won't tally exactly with Fish_Flake's.
Exactly... it follows that anything other than my opinion I consider to be random
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Since 1950, there have been 101 drivers who have won World Championship races. 33 own just 1 victory, and over half 3 or less. That contingent includes flashes in the pan, drivers who inherited lucky wins, aging pre-war stalwarts, Fangio place-setters, career midfielders, drivers who were killed or maimed before reaching their full potential, part-timers, drivers who deserved far more, drivers who will achieve far more, and World Champions. Admittedly, there is no absolute way to qualify all the drivers who make up the Bottom 50 of the list; so yeah, it's going to look random to some people right now. No attempt at this kind of ranking can be definite at the point that has been revealed thus far.
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Great stuff as always, Flake. I can't really comment on the drivers I'm not old enough to remember, but I think the drivers from recent years are probably ranked about right. Long-term, some of them will be far better (I don't think Kubica will be 72nd in a couple of years, for instance!), but after 1 win and only a couple of years in F1 there isn't a lot to choose between the likes of Kubica and Kovalainen. Kubica has the greater potential, but I think a top 100 of potential would look very different.
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So now my pick for next 10:
Gonzalez, Trintignant, Ginther, Siffert, Revson, Pace, Depailler, Tambay, Irvine and Fisichella.

Let's see how many goes right this time.
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Thank you for posting another installment in the series.
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Old 14 Jan 2009, 22:58 (Ref:2371683)   #18
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I know it's a bit late, but is there any particular reason for not including a photo of Heikki Kovalainen?
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There was one included, just looks like the link to it has busted.

And so the man becomes as invisible on the forum as he does on track.
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I understand your busy, just letting you know i'm looking forward to the next installment whenever you get a chance to do it
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