Home  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides Veloce Books  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Saloon & Sportscar Racing > Sportscar & GT Racing

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 7 Apr 2009, 19:58 (Ref:2436174)   #26
Speed-King
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location:
Wuerzburg,Germany
Posts: 7,325
Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan View Post
I think the ALMS is done with GT1.
Would they make an official ACO-class non-elegible? I don't think so. So if the ACO is indeed supporting Ratel, the idea of GT3 as a new fourth class for ALMS is most probably stillborn.
Speed-King is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 20:05 (Ref:2436182)   #27
Canada ALMS fan
Veteran
 
Canada ALMS fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Canada
Calgary, Canada
Posts: 2,296
Canada ALMS fan should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridCanada ALMS fan should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridCanada ALMS fan should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Speed-King View Post
Would they make an official ACO-class non-elegible? I don't think so. So if the ACO is indeed supporting Ratel, the idea of GT3 as a new fourth class for ALMS is most probably stillborn.
A valid point but there is a real possibility of no entries in GT1 in the ALMS if this does in fact happen? Why would the new GT1 be any more successful in North America than the current one? Ratel is possibly de-stabilizing the sportscar climate, that's why it's best if he fails IMO. Even though the cars may be nice, it's not worth the price.
Canada ALMS fan is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 20:06 (Ref:2436183)   #28
Rodger Davies
Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Wales
Bradford, UK
Posts: 3,042
Rodger Davies has a real shot at the podium!Rodger Davies has a real shot at the podium!Rodger Davies has a real shot at the podium!Rodger Davies has a real shot at the podium!Rodger Davies has a real shot at the podium!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan View Post
I think the ALMS is done with GT1.
and in my opinion is all the better for it. Stop thinking as GT2 as #2 and just call it GT, what are you left with? Exciting racing based on production cars competed for by factory and privateer alike. Let's leave it as that and allow the one positive of this year's ALMS to grow with BMW and Chevrolet (and very wishfully Jaguar), not split into two again.
Rodger Davies is offline  
__________________
Eat Sportscars
Sleep Sportscars
Drink Gulf
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 20:15 (Ref:2436192)   #29
HORNDAWG
Veteran
 
HORNDAWG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
United States
Oregon
Posts: 8,919
HORNDAWG should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridHORNDAWG should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridHORNDAWG should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
The current 'rules' GT-1 is breathing its last breaths! What replaces that as the premier ACO GT class is still not been fully answered by the ACO. We know for a fact that the major mfg's do not want the Ratel proposed GT-1 replacement and would prefer it be replaced with a single class or at least be based on the current GT-2 cars. Until it is an, in writing, ACO GT class this is nothing but SRO blowing wind. He still does not even have the backing from all quarters to go ahead, which he stated in the interview, its all still in a state of speculation!



L.P.
HORNDAWG is offline  
__________________
Probae esti in segetem sunt deteriorem datae fruges, tamen ipsae suaptae enitent
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 20:15 (Ref:2436193)   #30
deggis
Veteran
 
deggis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Finland
Posts: 6,206
deggis is going for a new world record!deggis is going for a new world record!deggis is going for a new world record!deggis is going for a new world record!deggis is going for a new world record!deggis is going for a new world record!deggis is going for a new world record!
http://fiagt.com/newsitem.php?key=1932
deggis is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 20:32 (Ref:2436206)   #31
Speed-King
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location:
Wuerzburg,Germany
Posts: 7,325
Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!
from:
Quote:
Originally Posted by deggis View Post
Quote:
As for the cars, the 2010 technical regulations have been drafted in collaboration with the ACO and approved by the FIA World Motor Sport Council in December, to be applied in the FIA Championships and in the ACO series. The 2010 GT1 cars can be developed by the manufacturers or independent tuners. A compromise between the cost-effective approach successfully developed with GT3, the detailed technical regulations of GT2 and the need to have distinctive cars, 2010 GT1 cars can be specifically built, an evolution of existing GT3 cars or a 2010 GT2 car with a performance kit.
So much for all speculation. Or do you imply that SRO is lying? Then why haven't we heard a dementi from the FIA or the ACO yet?
Speed-King is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 20:41 (Ref:2436212)   #32
Rodger Davies
Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Wales
Bradford, UK
Posts: 3,042
Rodger Davies has a real shot at the podium!Rodger Davies has a real shot at the podium!Rodger Davies has a real shot at the podium!Rodger Davies has a real shot at the podium!Rodger Davies has a real shot at the podium!
well, the counter to that is 'why haven't the ACO confirmed this too?'. Their silence is why there is this debate.
Rodger Davies is offline  
__________________
Eat Sportscars
Sleep Sportscars
Drink Gulf
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 20:52 (Ref:2436218)   #33
Speed-King
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location:
Wuerzburg,Germany
Posts: 7,325
Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodger Davies View Post
well, the counter to that is 'why haven't the ACO confirmed this too?'. Their silence is why there is this debate.
I still think, that the ACO keeping silent because they tend to make all their big announcements at the big race itself sounds more realistic then Ratel being simply a liar. FIA-PR said the full rules are suppossed to be announced in June, and I don't think this is a coincidence.
Speed-King is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 20:55 (Ref:2436221)   #34
Rodger Davies
Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Wales
Bradford, UK
Posts: 3,042
Rodger Davies has a real shot at the podium!Rodger Davies has a real shot at the podium!Rodger Davies has a real shot at the podium!Rodger Davies has a real shot at the podium!Rodger Davies has a real shot at the podium!
I can't fault your logic. I sincerely hope it's not the case but I fear very much that it's true, especially if reported by DSC too.
Rodger Davies is offline  
__________________
Eat Sportscars
Sleep Sportscars
Drink Gulf
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 21:01 (Ref:2436226)   #35
JAG
Veteran
 
JAG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
England
Posts: 10,500
JAG should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridJAG should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridJAG should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
IMO if your going to have a GT/Prototype hybrid, at least let them off the leash like 90's GT1's or GT500's, even if there's a risk of the class imploding after a few years.

If you aren't willing to push the boat out, retain GT2 as the top class.
JAG is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 21:02 (Ref:2436228)   #36
HORNDAWG
Veteran
 
HORNDAWG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
United States
Oregon
Posts: 8,919
HORNDAWG should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridHORNDAWG should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridHORNDAWG should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodger Davies View Post
I can't fault your logic. I sincerely hope it's not the case but I fear very much that it's true, especially if reported by DSC too.
Its reported at DSC that, that is what Ratel said.




L.P.
HORNDAWG is offline  
__________________
Probae esti in segetem sunt deteriorem datae fruges, tamen ipsae suaptae enitent
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 21:07 (Ref:2436240)   #37
Speed-King
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location:
Wuerzburg,Germany
Posts: 7,325
Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!
Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG View Post
IMO if your going to have a GT/Prototype hybrid, at least let them off the leash like 90's GT1's or GT500's, even if there's a risk of the class imploding after a few years.
You can't really blame Ratel for not doing that after his experience in the 90s, can you?
And just because you can utilize a different engine doesn't mean that these cars are half-prototypes or Silhouette-racers. It would be different if tubeframe cars were allowed, but they aren't, at least that's what I understand.
Using different engines from the same manufacturer is for example also allowed in VLN and the 24hours at the Ring.
Speed-King is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 21:07 (Ref:2436241)   #38
zac510
Veteran
 
zac510's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,714
zac510 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
It does sound like this new freedom could push GT1 towards the mega-expensive GT cars of the late 90s and the collapsed BPR series etc.
Will the 'manufacturer ban' in FIA GT be enough to keep them away from the ACO forms of GT1?

It seems that this 2010 GT1 will be quicker than the current GT1, which with 2010+ LMP2 regs means that a GT1 car may possibly be much quicker than an LMP2. sscollins will love it, this must be getting closer to the GT cars at Le Mans that he has wanted for a while!

I'm in two minds... I guess it remains to be seen how the ACO use these rules.
zac510 is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 21:09 (Ref:2436245)   #39
Speed-King
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location:
Wuerzburg,Germany
Posts: 7,325
Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!
Quote:
Originally Posted by HORNDAWG View Post
Its reported at DSC that, that is what Ratel said.
Come Mid-June, one of us is gonna eat some crow...
Speed-King is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 21:10 (Ref:2436246)   #40
Speed-King
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location:
Wuerzburg,Germany
Posts: 7,325
Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!
Quote:
Originally Posted by zac510 View Post
It does sound like this new freedom could push GT1 towards the mega-expensive GT cars of the late 90s and the collapsed BPR series etc.
Will the 'manufacturer ban' in FIA GT be enough to keep them away from the ACO forms of GT1?

It seems that this 2010 GT1 will be quicker than the current GT1, which with 2010+ LMP2 regs means that a GT1 car may possibly be much quicker than an LMP2. sscollins will love it, this must be getting closer to the GT cars at Le Mans that he has wanted for a while!

I'm in two minds... I guess it remains to be seen how the ACO use these rules.
The FIA will employ the same pre-season performance balancing as in GT3, so this is by no means an open class.

Another thought: The proposed race-format sounds a lot like GT-racing for the ADD-generation and sim-racers. Maybe not a bad idea...
Speed-King is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 21:15 (Ref:2436250)   #41
JAG
Veteran
 
JAG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
England
Posts: 10,500
JAG should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridJAG should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridJAG should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Speed-King View Post
You can't really blame Ratel for not doing that after his experience in the 90s, can you?
And just because you can utilize a different engine doesn't mean that these cars are half-prototypes or Silhouette-racers. It would be different if tubeframe cars were allowed, but they aren't, at least that's what I understand.
Using different engines from the same manufacturer is for example also allowed in VLN and the 24hours at the Ring.
If GT3's can be converted to GT1 spec, anything could be eligible.

GT3 is a performance balanced class with different power, weight, aero etc, imagine bringing that minefield into the top GT class with factory teams.

All this while GT2 is booming and GT3 could slot in as a second GT class.
JAG is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 21:15 (Ref:2436251)   #42
zac510
Veteran
 
zac510's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,714
zac510 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Speed-King View Post
The FIA will employ the same pre-season performance balancing as in GT3, so this is by no means an open class.
I didn't know that, thanks!
zac510 is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 21:17 (Ref:2436252)   #43
Dead-Eye
Veteran
 
Dead-Eye's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Estonia
Posts: 2,348
Dead-Eye should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridDead-Eye should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by zac510 View Post
It does sound like this new freedom could push GT1 towards the mega-expensive GT cars of the late 90s and the collapsed BPR series etc.
I think it could be the opposite. If they can use whatever engine they like from their lineup, they can use the one that's easiest and cheapest to prepare.

Actually, I'm a bit puzzled about the choice of engine for the GT-R. Originally I thought they were using a V8 because they could just stick the Super GT-engine into it, saving them a lot of money. But instead it seems to be based on the VK56DE used in several Nissan 4x4 vehicles.
Dead-Eye is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 21:17 (Ref:2436253)   #44
Speed-King
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location:
Wuerzburg,Germany
Posts: 7,325
Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!Speed-King has a real shot at the podium!
Quote:
imagine bringing that minefield into the top GT class with factory teams.
:There won't be any factory teams, at least not in FIA... As for the ACO, everyone who gets into this class knows the rules, so it should come as no surprise. The random performance going on in a certain ACO-affiliated series is IMO much worse...
Speed-King is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 21:20 (Ref:2436254)   #45
zac510
Veteran
 
zac510's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 2,714
zac510 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead-Eye View Post
I think it could be the opposite. If they can use whatever engine they like from their lineup, they can use the one that's easiest and cheapest to prepare.
Yes, that aspect suits the privateer developing a car (ie Matech/Ford GT) quite well. But as for Gigawave and the GT-R, they definitely have Nissan support don't they?
zac510 is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 21:20 (Ref:2436255)   #46
JAG
Veteran
 
JAG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
England
Posts: 10,500
JAG should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridJAG should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridJAG should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by zac510 View Post
It does sound like this new freedom could push GT1 towards the mega-expensive GT cars of the late 90s and the collapsed BPR series etc.
Will the 'manufacturer ban' in FIA GT be enough to keep them away from the ACO forms of GT1?

It seems that this 2010 GT1 will be quicker than the current GT1, which with 2010+ LMP2 regs means that a GT1 car may possibly be much quicker than an LMP2. sscollins will love it, this must be getting closer to the GT cars at Le Mans that he has wanted for a while!

I'm in two minds... I guess it remains to be seen how the ACO use these rules.
These new GT1's are intended to be little quicker than GT2, which makes this upheaval ridiculous, hence my plea to let them off the leash.

At least we'd have a couple of exciting years before the GT World Championship implodes, taking GT2/GT3 with it!
JAG is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 22:24 (Ref:2436295)   #47
Hugewally
Veteran
 
Hugewally's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
United States
Largo, FL USA
Posts: 1,735
Hugewally should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG View Post
If GT3's can be converted to GT1 spec, anything could be eligible.
So we could have the same car model in all three classes?
Hugewally is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 22:26 (Ref:2436297)   #48
Fogelhund
Veteran
 
Fogelhund's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Canada
Binbrook, ON Canada
Posts: 6,958
Fogelhund has a real shot at the championship!Fogelhund has a real shot at the championship!Fogelhund has a real shot at the championship!Fogelhund has a real shot at the championship!Fogelhund has a real shot at the championship!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugewally View Post
So we could have the same car model in all three classes?
Some, but not all.......... I believe the original intention was to have GT1 strictly for cars above 5.0l. Cars in GT2 for below 5.5l. Cars inbetween could choose.
Fogelhund is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 22:33 (Ref:2436298)   #49
HORNDAWG
Veteran
 
HORNDAWG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
United States
Oregon
Posts: 8,919
HORNDAWG should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridHORNDAWG should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridHORNDAWG should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
I think you got those transposed there Foglehund.



L.P.
HORNDAWG is offline  
__________________
Probae esti in segetem sunt deteriorem datae fruges, tamen ipsae suaptae enitent
Quote
Old 7 Apr 2009, 22:37 (Ref:2436300)   #50
Fogelhund
Veteran
 
Fogelhund's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Canada
Binbrook, ON Canada
Posts: 6,958
Fogelhund has a real shot at the championship!Fogelhund has a real shot at the championship!Fogelhund has a real shot at the championship!Fogelhund has a real shot at the championship!Fogelhund has a real shot at the championship!
Quote:
Originally Posted by HORNDAWG View Post
I think you got those transposed there Foglehund.



L.P.

No, I don't think so.

Let me repeat.

GT1 > 5.0l
GT2 < 5.5l

5.0 -> 5.5 can choose between the classes.

edit... well... I'm not really sure now LOL

I find this...

Quote:
Initially we presented a formula that took the basic GT3 models and sliced them into two categories, those cars over 5.5 litres would be GT1 and those under 5.5 litres are GT2 and those between 5 and 5.5 litres could decide where they wanted to go depending on the performance of their cars.
and I find contradictions....

Hard to keep up with the loonish plans of Steve Rat.
Fogelhund is offline  
Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
[FIA GT] FIA GT1; who will win? minimangler Sportscar & GT Racing 17 22 Oct 2007 19:13
[Diecast/Models] FIA GT1 diecast models kmchow Armchair Enthusiast 14 16 Aug 2007 00:49
[FIA GT] Koenigsegg unveiling new ACO/FIA GT1 car... pitviper Sportscar & GT Racing 34 10 Mar 2007 21:40
What is your favourite GT1 Car? (Current day GT1 Regulations) SALEEN S7R Sportscar & GT Racing 55 14 Sep 2006 08:15
[FIA GT] why did the FIA kill the GT1 class in FIA GT? CVT Sportscar & GT Racing 42 16 Nov 2003 01:48


All times are GMT. The time now is 21:28.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2021 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2021-2022 Grant MacDonald. All Rights Reserved.