I think F3000 is at the end of its line and should be canceled

[racer25]

I think F3000 is at the end of its line and should be canceled.
Too expensive, poor grids, no feeder for F1, outdated cars, far too expensive engines, poor gearboxes with many breakdowns.
Just look at the entry it is a joke. get rid of it and let new series fill the gap.
Good move of Astromega go for Renault V6 it will be the future for sure with someone like Renault in the background

[jjjoseee]

maybe int 3000 could die in one or two years... but who is just die is the euro3000... i think the season will not start because a lack of drivers. if int 3000 have problems, then imagine the eruo3000. too much avalaible cars between WS and renault V6, and of best quality and low cost.

[DanFlag]

Originally posted by racer25
I think F3000 is at the end of its line and should be canceled.
Too expensive, poor grids, no feeder for F1, outdated cars, far too expensive engines, poor gearboxes with many breakdowns.
Just look at the entry it is a joke. get rid of it and let new series fill the gap.
Good move of Astromega go for Renault V6 it will be the future for sure with someone like Renault in the background

Too expensive; it's the same price for a season of Formula Atlantic here in America

poor grids; I mean, isn't it the case in all categories now?

no feeder for F1; what? are you blind?
--> Webber, Pizzonia, Wilson, Alonso etc....

outdated cars; ? what??? brand spanking new cars

far too expensive engines; I dont know how much an engine costs, do you?

poor gearboxes with many breakdowns; I have to admit a remember reading this once or twice

Just look at the entry it is a joke. get rid of it and let new series fill the gap; FIA entry list you mean, many other announcements have been made you know. And about other series filling the gap, I think the more series there are, the more gaps there are. It's normal, the more series you have, eventually there is going to be a shortage of drivers, I mean, sponsors and scouts can't be at every event keeping an eye on future stars don't you agree?

Good move of Astromega go for Renault V6 it will be the future for sure with someone like Renault in the background ; Was that confirmed?

[Shunt the Hunt]

Originally posted by DanFlag
Too expensive; it's the same price for a season of Formula Atlantic here in America

Yes but twice more expensive than a season in TWS Nissan.

poor grids; I mean, isn't it the case in all categories now?

You don't have any drivers in the list who even won a Formula 3 championship...

[Russfeld]

F3000 sure helped guys like Montoya Bruno J and Bourdais in CART. It taught them to get up to speed immediately, look at how Sebastien is doing so far, he's been in th etop 3 of almost every single CART test

[Marcel ten Caat]

the low costs of TWS is said to be in the first 2 years only because it's sponsored big time right now and low costs means it gets big names as well as youngsters.

The moment the situation changes and it's not sponsored anymore as it is now, we'll probably see entry fees go up to levels like F3000.

[BSchneiderFan]

Said it before, say it again: merge F3000, Euro F3000 and TWS, allow free chassis and engines, sign up Lola, Dallara, Panoz/G-Force, Dome, Judd, Cosworth, BMW, Nissan, and we'll have a close-fought and worthy feeder series for F1.

[BootsOntheSide]

Bruno Junquiera certainly didn't get up to speed straight away in CART, if his initial contract hadn't been for 2 years he would've lost his Ganassi drive for last year, and would probably be on the (single seater) scrapheap alongside other former F3000 frontrunners like Jorg Muller, Tomas Enge and Nicolas Minassion.

F3000 should be the lead feeder for F1, yet around half the F1 grid either never raced in it (including Schumacher, Villeneuve and Fisichella), or only got to F1 after doing something else, like Montoya and Da Matta.

The cars are not similar enough to F1 cars, compared to TWS and CART, and it ahs too many sponsored guys who belong at a lower level.

[kdr]

feeder series for f1? isn't that going to be cart?

[Russfeld]

Originally posted by BSchneiderFan
Said it before, say it again: merge F3000, Euro F3000 and TWS, allow free chassis and engines, sign up Lola, Dallara, Panoz/G-Force, Dome, Judd, Cosworth, BMW, Nissan, and we'll have a close-fought and worthy feeder series for F1.

And a racing series as expensive as CART

[BootsOntheSide]

Probably more expensive now that CART has spec engines. F3000 needs to be carefully regulated so as to keep it similar to F1 in terms of the skill needed to succeed. Right now the cars handle differently, the lack of track time hampers rookies too much, and the races are too processional as its hard to overtake.

[Morcilman]

merge F3000, Euro F3000 and TWS, allow free chassis and engines, sign up Lola, Dallara, Panoz/G-Force, Dome, Judd, Cosworth, BMW, Nissan, and we'll have a close-fought and worthy feeder series for F1.

this is the best idea I heard at the moment, that wouyld be a 10 out of 10... great Idea!!!

[Russfeld]

and as I pointed out the first time, you'd have to add another zero to your F3000 budget. what you describe was CART up until the 2003 season

[racer25]

the cost of F3000 engine is 33.000 pounds sterling for 3200 km that makes approx just under 100.000 sterling for the year just on the engine.
complete overpriced

[littleman]

And whilst merging these various Formula, which I think is a great idea, make sure the new version is called Formula Two.If anyone on this forum can remenber the old F2 of the seventies and eighties they'll know just what a fantastic category it was.All the great drivers did F2, it was virtually impossible to by-pass it if you wanted to get to F1.Clark,Hill,Laffite,Arnoux,Jarier,Patrese,Rosberg,
Bellof,Peterson,Mansell,Thackwell,Depailler,Cevert, the list is endless.The cars were fabulous and raced on proper circuits like the old Nurburgring,Rouen,Mugello,Enna,Pau etc.Why it was ever scrapped I'll never know.Bring back F2 and give us some 'real' circuits to go with it !!! F3000 just isn't in the same league.

[Russfeld]

and...it was expensive as hell.

[littleman]

What sort of cost are we talking about? F2 lasted for over 20 years and there never seemed a shortage of teams or drivers.

[Russfeld]

It was almost mini F1 in its finaly years, I think the only thing it was missing was a tire war. Hell even F3000 prior to the 96 spec formula was very pricey

[Jay]

Ahh..F3000's been a great feeder series for Cart, and if they can make it in Cart, they're pretty much guaranteed to get an F1 offer....so...
I dont know...as long as there are drivers and sponsors bringing the money and cars on the grid, I don't see why any series should go.

[Cole Trickle]

agreed but, except when it's governed by bandits...

[bella]

like i've said before, i don't understand why the 'ladder' system can't be 3 dimensional, why there always has to be one way to the top.
f3000 has it's place and so does everything else. ok, so it's a little expensive but the best shine through, and the rich will get there anyway. fact of life.

[BSchneiderFan]

This matter of cost seems to rear its head again and again, but are we saying that the only way of having an affordable series is to make it one-make? That's a sad look-out for F3, post-2005 CART and the IRL, then. Of course budgets have to be kept in check, but think of the benefits of a freed-up F3000 - more work for engine manufacturers (whether car-makers or independents like John Judd and Brian Hart) and for chassis makers, as opposed to Lola building almost everything (no offence to Martin Birrane). And, damn it, it would make it more interesting. Diversity = good.

[Russfeld]

Originally posted by bella
like i've said before, i don't understand why the 'ladder' system can't be 3 dimensional, why there always has to be one way to the top.

because the market cant support it. Until there are enough talented and funded drivers to fill every grid, and each grid can draw a good support slot and TV deal; you're just spreading it too thin and hurting the sport overall

[SALEEN S7R]

For me F3000 still is and probably for a long long time be the main feeder series to F1, drivers like, Webber, Enge, Pizzonia, Alonso, Heidfield, Bernoldi, Wilson (ok he did a year in the TWS but would have been in F1 last year if he could have fitted into the Minardi F1 car so I include Wilson, and stoddart has always talked about his F3000 experince and so has Wilson not the TWS) now 7 drivers in 4 years aint bad going thats almost 2 a year.

[Lisboa]

I agree with you Racer25. If people remember, when F.3000 started his partnership near F.1 everybody expected something big. What is now F.3000? Somothing near to nothing. F.3000 has 7 drivers and 9 teams at the moment. It's time to change some opinion: DAN FLAG, for example. For 3000 said that Pizzonia is not good, he won one rece in two years! If Antonio has now a F.1 seat, it's only because he won F.3 and F.Renault! Wilson has link F.1 after World Series, and Alonso
has a log term agreement after hid Formula Nissan success. Ha also won only one race in Spa, with.....superfuel!!! Do you remember that race??
It's time to stop stupid discussion about F.3000, if people continue to support a stupid championship like 2003 one, does not help F.3000, but help the people that want to kill the series.