Toll/HSV and HRT grouped

dirttrack · 7 Mar 2006, 11:36 (Ref:1539484)

Haven't seen mention of this in another thread yet. Story has it that Toll/HSV racing and HRT have been grouped and now there are some really unhappy campers.

Phase3 · 7 Mar 2006, 11:49 (Ref:1539488)

Thats super news!

ford boy · 7 Mar 2006, 13:14 (Ref:1539545)

Super news alright made my day.

hrt_rulz01 · 7 Mar 2006, 19:18 (Ref:1539748)

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Originally Posted by dirttrack

Haven't seen mention of this in another thread yet. Story has it that Toll/HSV racing and HRT have been grouped and now there are some really unhappy campers.

where did u hear this? where is the official statement?

observer · 7 Mar 2006, 20:02 (Ref:1539770)

Here we go!

Where can I read all about this new one?

S_Doctor · 7 Mar 2006, 21:11 (Ref:1539806)

So where are they testing at?

Vee8 · 8 Mar 2006, 00:14 (Ref:1539927)

An insider tells me that HRT and HSV have voluntarily submitted to grouping, and will test together at Winton in '06.

Apparently the two teams approached TEGA to seek clarification on grouping provisions, and were subsequently informed there could be a case to answer.

As a result, the teams didn't contest the finding and put their hands up to be grouped.

The test schedule for Winton on Monday and Tuesday shows that each team will run one car per day over the two days.

lookleft · 8 Mar 2006, 00:32 (Ref:1539932)

Good news in one sense, bad in another. They will just spend more on off track testing. What about the "other" team??

Would have been better to lift the grouping from Britek and let them get on with it.

Rombles1 · 8 Mar 2006, 00:37 (Ref:1539935)

Are there any other teams that should be grouped?

Guest · 8 Mar 2006, 00:40 (Ref:1539938)

Maybe all the Holdens in one group, and all the Fords in the other. They do share a common badge on the front of the car!

TSR · 8 Mar 2006, 00:43 (Ref:1539939)

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Originally Posted by Vee8

An insider tells me that HRT and HSV have voluntarily submitted to grouping, and will test together at Winton in '06.

Apparently the two teams approached TEGA to seek clarification on grouping provisions, and were subsequently informed there could be a case to answer.

As a result, the teams didn't contest the finding and put their hands up to be grouped.

The test schedule for Winton on Monday and Tuesday shows that each team will run one car per day over the two days.

Sounds like hear we go again, One rule for HOLDEN and a different rule for FORD and tega back the Holden rule.

Feel sorry for BIRTEK & FPR they get screwed over again.

Vee8 · 8 Mar 2006, 00:46 (Ref:1539940)

How do you reach that conclusion, TSR? They've both been grouped, so what's different about the way they have been treated?

Guest · 8 Mar 2006, 00:46 (Ref:1539941)

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Originally Posted by TSR

Sounds like hear we go again, One rule for HOLDEN and a different rule for FORD and tega back the Holden rule.

Feel sorry for BIRTEK & FPR they get screwed over again.

How? They are allowes to have 2 cars test just like HRT/HSV, it is their choice which cars they use to test.

TSR · 8 Mar 2006, 01:02 (Ref:1539944)

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Originally Posted by Guest

How? They are allowes to have 2 cars test just like HRT/HSV, it is their choice which cars they use to test.

Last time I herd ( less things have changed ) BIRTEK were not alowed to test because the powers to be at TEGA think that both FPR & BIRTEK are one team.

billy bigtime · 8 Mar 2006, 01:05 (Ref:1539945)

Well, there's no doubt in my mind that HRT and HSV will share data and that is still against the rules. How will TEGA handle this??

storyline · 8 Mar 2006, 01:07 (Ref:1539946)

By closing their eyes to the obvious?

Rombles1 · 8 Mar 2006, 01:10 (Ref:1539947)

Surely if they are grouped they must be allowed to share data????? If FPR choose not to share with Britek, well that just sounds like *******ry (irrespective of the *******ry that prevents Britek from testing on their own anyway....).

Also, who decides that FPR can test but Britek cannot, rather than the other way round? Wouldn't it be just as reasonable to allow Britek to test and not FPR?

Dazz · 8 Mar 2006, 01:15 (Ref:1539948)

Whether a team is officially grouped or not has no bearing on whether they can share information or not.

How would anyone know if any of the teams are sharing information?

Considering most teams rarely have two identical cars at any one point in time, not to mention driver preferences, how much data sharing is really worthwhile anyway?

billy bigtime · 8 Mar 2006, 01:24 (Ref:1539953)

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Originally Posted by Dazz

Whether a team is officially grouped or not has no bearing on whether they can share information or not.

How would anyone know if any of the teams are sharing information?

Considering most teams rarely have two identical cars at any one point in time, not to mention driver preferences, how much data sharing is really worthwhile anyway?

Not sure, but we will probably read about in Jeff Grech's new book

storyline · 8 Mar 2006, 01:34 (Ref:1539955)

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Originally Posted by Rombles1

Also, who decides that FPR can test but Britek cannot, rather than the other way round? Wouldn't it be just as reasonable to allow Britek to test and not FPR?

This series is beginning to sound more and more like not who can legitimately win but who is being paid to prevent others from being competitive.

Given the way the competition rules are being written and interpreted, it looks more as if it is rigged than if it isn't.

Woolcor · 8 Mar 2006, 01:37 (Ref:1539957)

Won't matter anyway. Can anyone really see this issue having an negative effect on HRT/Toll? They will still be at the pointy end regardless.

On the other hand, the team that could benefit most from testing (BRITEK) struggle along under this rule.

If you ask me, the bottom dwellers should be given dispensation to test more, in the hope of some real improvement and the spirit of an even competition. If they are not good enough to convert the testing data into race results, well that's another issue, but barring them from the opportunity to do so seems unfair.

Razor · 8 Mar 2006, 01:51 (Ref:1539958)

So, if they are grouped, it is only by technical allegince is it? Is John and Margret Kelly still own the team

RotorFan · 8 Mar 2006, 02:01 (Ref:1539960)

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Originally Posted by storyline

This series is beginning to sound more and more like not who can legitimately win but who is being paid to prevent others from being competitive.

A bit like Bright and Lowndes being paid by Ford, not so that they can win in a Ford but so they can be not-winning in a Holden

dude67 · 8 Mar 2006, 02:02 (Ref:1539962)

FPR do not alow britek to test .It has nothing to do with Tega.FPR could elect to have one FPR and one Britek Car at test days.

The rule is the same for all teams .

Guest · 8 Mar 2006, 02:13 (Ref:1539964)

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Originally Posted by dude67

FPR do not alow britek to test .It has nothing to do with Tega.FPR could elect to have one FPR and one Britek Car at test days.

The rule is the same for all teams .

Thanks dude, that is what I was trying to say

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