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Old 8 Feb 2018, 10:54 (Ref:3799505)   #5416
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For some of us, it is not just about close racing. The relentless performance balancing to artificially equalise the players actually detracts from our enjoyment, because the car's the star, not the teams, drivers and strategists. It negates the advantage of a constructor who, put simply, does a better job within a given rule set. LMP1 is the only class where there is at least some freedom and diversity of solutions available to designers and constructors, where they have the opportunity to build a car which gives them an advantage, without seeing their work come to nothing, because of retrospective performance balancing.

Horses for courses, but for me, I would sacrifice watching close racing in heavily BOP'd classes/formulas/series for witnessing a dominant display from a car which is just better than the others in it's class, because the designers/constructor/engineers have done a better job.
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Old 8 Feb 2018, 13:05 (Ref:3799543)   #5417
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And that's how things used to be I'd argue. But nowadays everyone wants results, wants them fast, and they don't care how it comes about as long as they get the return on investment they want.

And even then, there's no guarantees on that.
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Old 8 Feb 2018, 13:12 (Ref:3799545)   #5418
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For some of us, it is not just about close racing. The relentless performance balancing to artificially equalise the players actually detracts from our enjoyment, because the car's the star, not the teams, drivers and strategists. It negates the advantage of a constructor who, put simply, does a better job within a given rule set. LMP1 is the only class where there is at least some freedom and diversity of solutions available to designers and constructors, where they have the opportunity to build a car which gives them an advantage, without seeing their work come to nothing, because of retrospective performance balancing.

Horses for courses, but for me, I would sacrifice watching close racing in heavily BOP'd classes/formulas/series for witnessing a dominant display from a car which is just better than the others in it's class, because the designers/constructor/engineers have done a better job.
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As for LMP2 and LMP3, although they haven't fallen senseless like GTE and DPi with round by round political performance balancing, they too are nevertheless victims of over standardization and "teams and drivers are the stars" lunacy. Add into that the "everyone's a winner" concept of pro-am.

LMP1 is the last haven for realness and (not fabricated) variety, with tech impact. I fear that will be taken away with GTP/DPi 2.0, at least for OEMs
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Old 8 Feb 2018, 15:02 (Ref:3799578)   #5419
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Listening to yesterdays MWM because of them discussing (previewing) the entry lists, Goodwin says you can re-homologate nonhybrid LMP1 car/bodywork for every single race if you want?
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Listening to yesterdays MWM because of them discussing (previewing) the entry lists, Goodwin says you can re-homologate nonhybrid LMP1 car/bodywork for every single race if you want?
Wasn't there a rule or at least talk about a new manufacturer entering being allowed to update their aero package until it was competitive with the established teams? Maybe they held onto that for the privateers.
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Wasn't there a rule or at least talk about a new manufacturer entering being allowed to update their aero package until it was competitive with the established teams? Maybe they held onto that for the privateers.
Or

Established Factory OEM - 1
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Here are the technical regulations for hybrids: https://www.fia.com/file/65128/downl...token=CIQj3YIc
The limit of the number of aerokits per season is stated in Appendix M.
In the technical regulations for non-hybrids (https://www.fia.com/file/65126/downl...token=Fd_IoZGk) there is no Appendix M and I couldn't find another limitation of available aero kits.
So it seems exactly like you said
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I think there is still a massive elephant in the room. Some manufacturers want Hybrids, other manufacturers do not want hybrids.

Also will this GTP style LMP cannibalize the GTE class (in favor of GT3)? Mclaren haven't developed a 720S GTE, because they have interest in LMP1 now.

Ferrari, Aston, BMW, Porsche!. Who wouldn't try to build a "GTP" style LMP in a much more cost effective top class? Sounds like it comes at the expense of GTE.
Will that category go away in favor of GT3?
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I think there is still a massive elephant in the room. Some manufacturers want Hybrids, other manufacturers do not want hybrids.
Well, the upcoming WEC season should be very educational about coming up with possible ways to address that.
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Also will this GTP style LMP cannibalize the GTE class (in favor of GT3)? Mclaren haven't developed a 720S GTE, because they have interest in LMP1 now.
GTE will still be much cheaper (well unless they go full in DPi route which would be absolute nightmare) and GT3 is still illegal from 24 hours, so they're not going to disappear suddenly
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