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Old 28 Sep 2017, 10:17 (Ref:3770253)   #2086
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ACO and FIA have decided on which parts manufacturers can work on:
Oerca can't do any changes for next year, Dallara is allowed to update the LeMans aero, Ligier both aero sets and Riley can update both aero sets or build a whole new car if they wish to.
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 10:31 (Ref:3770254)   #2087
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lol development bop

anyway, why ligier should be allowed to update the HD package?
the car is as competitive as oreca, difference is that best lmp2 teams (gdrive, rebellion, etc...) switched for oreca 07 and ligier teams average level is lower than oreca army.
Oreca, ligier and dallara HD packages reached the same performance.
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 12:59 (Ref:3770279)   #2088
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lol development bop

anyway, why ligier should be allowed to update the HD package?
the car is as competitive as oreca, difference is that best lmp2 teams (gdrive, rebellion, etc...) switched for oreca 07 and ligier teams average level is lower than oreca army.
Oreca, ligier and dallara HD packages reached the same performance.
They have been found to be not on the same level apparently. Teams will be required to submit updates to the ACO to be tested at the Windshear facility to determine their efficacy vs the Oreca. Oreca may be allowed tweaks but not to improve their overall performance according to multiple articles I've seen.

And other than Riley, who may be allowed rehomologation, they are all using their joker update which is allowed and clearly spelled out in the rules. This just establishes the goal of the joker updates, something we all knew would happen.
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 15:57 (Ref:3770302)   #2089
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They have been found to be not on the same level apparently. Teams will be required to submit updates to the ACO to be tested at the Windshear facility to determine their efficacy vs the Oreca. Oreca may be allowed tweaks but not to improve their overall performance according to multiple articles I've seen.

And other than Riley, who may be allowed rehomologation, they are all using their joker update which is allowed and clearly spelled out in the rules. This just establishes the goal of the joker updates, something we all knew would happen.
Are riley, dallara and ligier spending their joker, aka the only heavy development coin expendable once during the 4 years lmp2 spec lifespan or is a fresh FIA/ACO waiver?
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 16:23 (Ref:3770304)   #2090
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The joker is only going to make the car(s) equal to the Oreca. It won't be allowed to exceed it. If they get it right.
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 20:20 (Ref:3770345)   #2091
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Are riley, dallara and ligier spending their joker, aka the only heavy development coin expendable once during the 4 years lmp2 spec lifespan or is a fresh FIA/ACO waiver?
The way I saw it reported was all are using their joker update. They are allowed to submit multiple revisions it seems as they are being tested against the Oreca to bring them up to that pace. It sounded like the ACO said here's your target, update your cars to it and we'll homologate that as your joker. It sounded like the ACO broke out he old 'spirit of the regs' line again for making the cars more balanced and Oreca might be stuck without getting to use theirs for building a better mousetrap. Plus I think they know if it becomes one make series the chance of them getting bids from others for the next round of LMP2 could be tough if they know going in to a 'balanced at the start' class if they're behind there's goes their business. It's tough for both cause it's supporting a worse design for being bad and the best design gets told to sit in the corner, you're too good at this. But I understand long term how having just the Oreca can lead to companies shutting down or moving on. Think like most of our tree commission appeals hearings, someone will be unhappy at the end every time and you're trying to make the fewest unhappy if possible.
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Old 28 Sep 2017, 20:30 (Ref:3770348)   #2092
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The way I saw it reported was all are using their joker update. They are allowed to submit multiple revisions it seems as they are being tested against the Oreca to bring them up to that pace. It sounded like the ACO said here's your target, update your cars to it and we'll homologate that as your joker. It sounded like the ACO broke out he old 'spirit of the regs' line again for making the cars more balanced and Oreca might be stuck without getting to use theirs for building a better mousetrap. Plus I think they know if it becomes one make series the chance of them getting bids from others for the next round of LMP2 could be tough if they know going in to a 'balanced at the start' class if they're behind there's goes their business. It's tough for both cause it's supporting a worse design for being bad and the best design gets told to sit in the corner, you're too good at this. But I understand long term how having just the Oreca can lead to companies shutting down or moving on. Think like most of our tree commission appeals hearings, someone will be unhappy at the end every time and you're trying to make the fewest unhappy if possible.
Ok, then what will happen when oreca will decide to spend his joker coin?
shall ligier, dallara and riley be allowed to use a "morgana" waiver?

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Old 28 Sep 2017, 20:34 (Ref:3770350)   #2093
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Ok, then what will happen when oreca will decide to spend his joker coin?
That seems to have been seized for being too good, it was kind of hinted that they'd basically be stuck with the car they built.
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