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Old 3 Apr 2017, 07:47 (Ref:3723428)   #16
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Says a lot about their policy and their approach to the general public really.

I think there is more to Doran's relationship with monster than mere performance to be honest, not sure what, and not prepared to say.
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Old 3 Apr 2017, 07:57 (Ref:3723429)   #17
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To give credit where it's due, I thought Liam gave a very good commentary.....
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Old 3 Apr 2017, 09:01 (Ref:3723439)   #18
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Allright, so now I'm curious. Does anyone know where we can find stats on Dorans performance in the 14-16 season?

I'll readily admit I mostly remember some of his wild antics, rolls and torpedoing other drivers. For all I know, he is an awesome driver who just has a lot of bad luck. On track and off.

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Old 3 Apr 2017, 09:08 (Ref:3723440)   #19
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rallycross online will have his results from his time in ERC.

His best years were his last year in his own Fiesta, and the first few years with Hansen's C4 and then on his own. Never did as good in the DS3.

He is a very gifted driver, but then you would be with that much time in the hot seat. But his explosive temper has let him down now so many times it is either going to take someone to knock it out of him, or a very lengthy or permanent ban with his continued lapses into thug life.
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Old 3 Apr 2017, 11:13 (Ref:3723466)   #20
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rallycross online will have his results from his time in ERC.

His best years were his last year in his own Fiesta, and the first few years with Hansen's C4 and then on his own. Never did as good in the DS3.

He is a very gifted driver, but then you would be with that much time in the hot seat. But his explosive temper has let him down now so many times it is either going to take someone to knock it out of him, or a very lengthy or permanent ban with his continued lapses into thug life.
He actually came 2nd in 2012 with the DS3, the 5th in 2013, Bakkerud was 4th in the sister car although they were actually pretty equal in terms of overall performance.

It was downhill from then on with his ban in 2014 for the incident at Lydden and the rental drivers in all 4 cars not managing to do much with them. 2015 it was hardly worth him turning up, especially for Germany where the car failed scrutineering.

I have to agree with the rest of your comments though, especially the one at the top of the page!!
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Old 3 Apr 2017, 11:51 (Ref:3723474)   #21
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I have seen a number of things that worried me.

When the team was expanded to another car aswell as his, they went through a lot of drivers, Jeanny, Skorupski, Henning Solberg (who was none too complimentary about the car) and another guy. Tohill had a really tough year in one of his old cars and the cars used in the UK series have been very hit and miss.

His car dumped petrol or oil over the track at a BSB event he was supposed to be demonstrating at, which meant a long stoppage to the session and potentially lethal implications on a very dangerous bike track. I have heard rumours of numerous parts failures on customer cars. And I am sure something happened at Goodwood a few years ago with one of his cars, can't recall.

On the plus side I think he tries to push the envelope with his cars, as you should, so maybe that explains the odd issue. But oil and fuel leaks are pretty basic engineering issues.
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Old 3 Apr 2017, 12:00 (Ref:3723476)   #22
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And I am sure something happened at Goodwood a few years ago with one of his cars, can't recall.
I think he run out of petrol mid run, if so that is a bit of a school boy error but in line with the rest of your observations.
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Old 3 Apr 2017, 12:17 (Ref:3723477)   #23
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No, I was at Goodwood and it was an electric issue. Lots of excuses over how busy they had been, but it really makes no difference in motorsports - either you run or you don't run.

Only looks worse if the fault is simply down to not being prepared.
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Old 3 Apr 2017, 19:36 (Ref:3723563)   #24
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Results found with the 'google':
WRX
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liam_D...onship_results

Old championship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liam_D...onship_results
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Old 4 Apr 2017, 10:05 (Ref:3723673)   #25
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Bit late to this topic as I haven't been on the forum much over the weekend. I'm actually pretty surprised that the MSA have taken action following the incident at a non-UK track day. Given how public the fallout was though, perhaps they had no choice but to act?

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The Mini seemed to do okay with Guy Wilkes....
Not defending Liam, but this isn't really a fair comparison. When Wilks posted a decent result in the MINI, the 1.6L cars were still on a level playing field with the 2.0L cars. Remember that Liam took a win on the first outing with the car (though I admit the conditions played a big part in that)

As a 1.6L the car was decent. Even with the weight penalty last year Liam managed to do OK (look at semi-final 2 in Germany). The transition to 2.0L is where it all went wrong. I personally think JRM underestimated just how much engineering was required for the transition. The 2.0L engine they picked never seemed to work properly either. Would love to be a fly on the wall at JRM and see exactly what has/is happening there!

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No, I was at Goodwood and it was an electric issue. Lots of excuses over how busy they had been, but it really makes no difference in motorsports - either you run or you don't run.
I believe the car ran out of fuel half way up the hill, it was openly discussed on Facebook (by Liam). I think they said "electrical issue" on the day to save a bit of face?

As others have already said, the LD Motorsport DS3's were very quick that first year, but the team seemed to grow too quickly the subsequent year. I personally think that Liam is a talent behind the wheel, but he does seem to have a habit of acting like a tit in front of people!
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Old 5 Apr 2017, 10:52 (Ref:3723914)   #26
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The ruling isn't on the MSA site (yet). In the 2014 ruling, there isn't a fixed probation. But he's called the sports ambassador etc..
He wasn't 'using' his international license as it was a demo at Gatebil, not a race that needed the paperwork. That part I would like to read about in the ruling.

"I know there are a lot of haters out there, but for everyone involved and that knows the real story I appreciate the continued support."
So.... still denying he's a tit? His erratic behavior was because a monstergirl got a bit of water on her from a waterpistol. Natural reaction = a shriek and a giggle. Liam's, flying into a rage, hurting people, hurting cars, playing loud music after the 02:00 am(!) noise curfew, going into heated debates with event personnel and hiding (really.....) from the police.. Really a angelic choirboy.

"The British driver previously had his license temporarily suspended in 2014 after advancing onto a live circuit at his home round of World RX 2014 at Lydden Hill to attend to his father Pat, who was taking part in a Group B demonstration race in a Ford RS200, which due to a fuel leak was sent into a blaze of flames." (quote seen on most news sites about it)
Yeah, and being very abusive towards the marshals, to which he only made an apology months later at the appeal after having sought legal counsel.
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The thing is with Doran, it was not the first time he was very abusive towards people and marshals at the track. Not sure about anywhere else, but I have heard and see it a couple of other times at Lydden.

If it had been a one off incident I expect there might have been some leeway as you could understand his concern, but it was the final of many incidents when people had been abused at Lydden, and was in full earshot of quite a few important people with the FIA etc, and of course spectators, and possibly children. Great eh Monster? Just the market you want.

Gatebil was a little less of a problem as he was not competing. But he will never be invited back and bought his sponsor into a situation they would not want to be in.

But apparently are quite happy to continually back him, leading me to believe there is far more to his deal with Monster than simply sports sponsorship. That is all I would say.

I will never buy a can of their awful rubbish again anyway. And the outpouring of comments on his numerous social media pages after Gatebil was an embarrassment to anyone!!

But also hilarious!!
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Nice to see Liam is keeping his team busy in 2017...





...dream garage material there!
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Very nice, tho will it ever be run? I take it he has been replaced by guest commentators on the WorldRX due to not hearing him since the first round.
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Very nice, tho will it ever be run?
According to comments on Facebook it seems like it's almost there. It apparently has an engine and box already which are the most crucial bits!
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