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15 Dec 2009, 13:42 (Ref:2600139) | #26 | |
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The Audi is apparently not going to be 2010 compliant by Sebring how is that Peugeouts fault?
That is a decision made by Audi given the budget (or lack of) given by the parent company - it fits in better with the motorsport programme to skip Sebring and develop the car for what really matters Le Mans. I can understand Pug complaining about a non-compliant car being present it is what most manufacturers would do in the circumstances, fairly sure Audi would do it. Lets be honest Audi are using it as an excuse, albeit convienient, for a lack of a budget. |
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so much anger....so i'll tell a little story.
went to the mailbox yesterday and found the Sebring Int'l Raceway's 12 hours publication there. there's a pic of an Audi leading a Pug at Sebring with the title; Quote:
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I firmly believe that Audi will re-assess their level of participation mid next year. That is what my company is doing. We aren't allowed to backfill positions or work on projects that don't generate revenue. Everyone I have talked to is in a similar situation regardless of the industry. Mid next year we are told that the budget situations will change if the things are looking up economically. Now is the time to be conservative and make sure you have money stowed for the next "rainy day", not participate in every race you can. And although it may not be a significant money savings to just test, I'm sure it saves some money and that is all that matters to the bean counters. Ultimately auto racing is a luxury and not a necessity. |
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Oh really? Well, good, seems like there's some sense of realism left.
Edit: Well, maybe not. The series website is still using the World Class slogan. Last edited by Acid09; 15 Dec 2009 at 18:36. |
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I don't see a reason why Peugeot has complained so much, especially when they were on the pace at Sebring, dominated at Le Mans, and, albeit on a fluke, won PLM. The Pug was built for one thing-straightline speed, ie, Le Mans. Audi built the R15 to be run at LM, but also designed it with the intent of running in the ALMS-of course, the Porsche debacle in '09 and the ACO's late rules announcement for '10 has killed any serious chances of that unless IMSA is granted a waiver for 2011 to allow 2009/10 LMP1s to race to their rules package. And guess what, the Pugs were 10 miles an hour faster than the R15s down the Mulsanne at Le Mans, and that translated to a 1-3 second advantage at LM over the course of a lap until the track rubbered in and the R15's handling erased that advantage, but that couldn't erased a gap of 3/4 of a lap that the #1 Audi had to the 908s at that time. I think Peugeot should take their straightline speed advantage at Le Mans and be happy, because it can all change in 2011 if they continue. Maybe Peugeot is worried that the 2010 rules will slow them to Audi levels at Le Mans? |
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I think that there are a lot of people who wish that they had the power/talent that Renesmee Cullen(a fictional half human/half vampire character)has-the ability to channel thoughts into someone's mind just by touching them. I'll bet that the Peugeot guys would stay well away from her if they knew she was an Audi fan.
But what I don't get is that the Pug's doors don't conform to the "spirit" of the ACO's or IMSA's regs-maybe IMSA and the ACO should force a door redesign on Peugeot at the 11th hour. But then again, if the ACO didn't screw around for four months, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But this might come back to bite Peugeot-Audi has said that they'll test more in the states this year and use the R15+ to develop it's replacement. And Audi has tubs for the R15 series to spare(considering that they'll use 2009 Sebring and LM spec cars for testing as well), and I don't believe that Peugeot has any tubs to spare, especally if they want to run four cars at Le Mans, and considering how bad/agressive some ALMS drivers are, I think that Peugeot could be playing Russian Roulette early in the race, if not though out it with the LMPC and GTC cars, while Audi will have fresh, hopefully sorted cars for Spa and LM and PLM. I think that Peugeot should be careful what they wish for, considering that the ACO and IMSA didn't up and grant Audi a waiver more out of not wanting to listen to Peugeot whine than rules compliance. And they should wait until 2011 when the coupe's larger air restrictor gets taken away, which I feel should've been done when GTPs were allow to move from running LMP675/2 tires to the wider LMP900/1 tires in '04. |
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Will Oreca be there in some form ?
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In autumn they said yes, but at that time they didn´t have a Pug.
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Oreca will be there - supporting the FLM cars and hopefully entering a LMP1
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The Bear posts that an AMR Lola Aston is likely for Sebring. Wonder if they will be able to keep up with the Pug?
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...but if the AMR Lola Aston shows at Sebring, will they return for PLM?
tis good news no matter how you look at it. and they may not need to keep up with the Pugs as Sebring is known for "eating" cars. granted, it seems the "kinks" have been worked out on the French cars; all they would have to do, if Audi don't show (most likely), is cruise and avoid trouble. surely, they won't cruise as the are really testing for LM.....again. |
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It would be sweet to see a Gulf livery here in the US. and AMR would be testing for LM too, so it would be nice to see if they can last over the bumps.
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The AMR will be a private car, the first one was sell to Signature, the second one to an unknown american client (Mr. X). He was rumoured to be a collector but who knows...
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That's not the message on the bear's twitter. The quote is "...AMR Lola Aston...", which means that AMR refers to the team, not the car.
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That makes sense, even in the case of a collector. The Bear said early that the cars were pre-sold to collectors. A run a Sebring is a "value-builder." |
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I wonder if it is Primats car , if so , Primat might probably be one of them ?
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