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Old 8 May 2017, 05:49 (Ref:3732132)   #176
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Paul Ricard might not have strict track limits, but you could never just go flying an extra track width wide every corner like CotA because it would munch the tires on the pavement they use for the runoffs.
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Old 8 May 2017, 15:31 (Ref:3732250)   #177
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Uhm, that there is never anything else than a Cadillac on top?

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Do you honestly think if WTR were to swap their Caddilac for a Riley-Gibson, a Mazda or a Ligier-Gibson that would still be able to top the practice sessions and put the thing on pole?

If the cars are all equally balanced then the answer would be: Of course, they would.
Well, I think not.
If WTR had the same time to develop another package as they did the Cadillac, yes, I honestly believe they would be in the same position now. Why anyone is shocked the best teams over the past 3 years are still the best teams?

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I feel like some of the same people were trying to tell us how much better IMSA would be than other prototype championships are also the ones saying how BoP isn't a problem because actually all of the teams are just terrible.

Looking at even just the "Cadillac Cup" results it seems like Action Express wasn't particularly prepared for running an LMP2 car instead of a tube framer, while WTR is in the Indianapolis area where they can easily hire people from IndyCar and other high tech racing. I think you should probably expect ESM to be closer to WTR than AXR considering.
Still trying to get in shots at DPs even after they're dead? What's the point in that? They're using the same engineers and they're doing fine.
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Old 8 May 2017, 16:04 (Ref:3732257)   #178
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If WTR had the same time to develop another package as they did the Cadillac, yes, I honestly believe they would be in the same position now. Why anyone is shocked the best teams over the past 3 years are still the best teams?
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Old 8 May 2017, 21:04 (Ref:3732331)   #179
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Why anyone is shocked the best teams over the past 3 years are still the best teams?
That's the point, really. get a bunch of guys who really know how to make cars go fast and they make cars go fast. Give them all the time and money they need .... guess what?
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Old 8 May 2017, 23:36 (Ref:3732345)   #180
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DPi was a rush job for everyone but Cadillac, namely WTR who did most if not all of the testing for the car. Didn't they get the Cadillac's version of the Dallara at the same time or before the Dallara p2? If Nissan did that they'd be in the same ballpark. But they didn't and they're not.
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Old 9 May 2017, 00:38 (Ref:3732351)   #181
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Still trying to get in shots at DPs even after they're dead? What's the point in that? They're using the same engineers and they're doing fine.
AXR was clearly a better team than WTR from 2014 to 2016 and clearly aren't now, it's not a shot at anything. They were still far more prepared to run an LMP2 car than Speedsource or PR1 but they aren't getting the pace the car is capable of on tracks they haven't heavily tested at.

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DPi was a rush job for everyone but Cadillac, namely WTR who did most if not all of the testing for the car. Didn't they get the Cadillac's version of the Dallara at the same time or before the Dallara p2? If Nissan did that they'd be in the same ballpark. But they didn't and they're not.
Frankly it doesn't matter unless the car is a) breaking, b) crashing, or c) impossible to drive consistently. BoP is supposed to make cubic dollars obsolete when it comes to speed. Aside from Sebring WTR isn't winning on strategy, it's raw speed.
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Old 9 May 2017, 01:30 (Ref:3732355)   #182
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AXR was clearly a better team than WTR from 2014 to 2016 and clearly aren't now, it's not a shot at anything. They were still far more prepared to run an LMP2 car than Speedsource or PR1 but they aren't getting the pace the car is capable of on tracks they haven't heavily tested at.
Ooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrr, AXR was the factory GM team at the time, and now WTR is the defacto GM factory team. WTR developed and tested the car from the beginning themselves.
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Ooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrr, AXR was the factory GM team at the time, and now WTR is the defacto GM factory team. WTR developed and tested the car from the beginning themselves.
And, axr has one car with a couple 40-somethings and another with a clear weaker driver (i like Eric curran, tho), while wtr have two 20-something very talented driver's coming into their own and are good enough to warrant consideration for factory drives in a top gtlm team. So on the whole, I would expect wtr to be slightly better more consistently than axr. And while axr is no slouch, they were about equal with the rest of the prototype field, as shown by all times during race, qualifying and practice, for those who look for those sessions for equality....
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Old 9 May 2017, 05:47 (Ref:3732380)   #185
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I've never understood this "they're winning so they must suddenly be the best driver now" way of thinking. Also a curious argument that AXR's drivers were top tier when they were beating Rebellion but crap now that they're losing to the Taylor brothers. That kind of thing gets old.

WTR was already the GM factory team, AXR was the Coyote factory team. Or more like it is Coyote.
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Old 9 May 2017, 06:41 (Ref:3732391)   #186
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This track makes Prototypes and GT cars look slow.

But at least is not Detriot.
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Old 9 May 2017, 09:23 (Ref:3732427)   #187
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My memory is faulty .... the #5 got beat by a gigantic margin at the Rolex, right .... because it just isn't as good? Blown right off the track?


Well ... it got off the track Somehow, eh?

AXR was faster at Daytona. Enough faster that even facing backwards with seven minutes to go, they were catching up when the flag waved. The #5 was second at Sebring, got nailed by a GTD car at Long Beach, 3rd at CotA, and is second in points. The #31 has also finished second twice. Big electrical issues at Daytona, third at Sebring.

As I hear it WTR has more time with the car, but AXR has not forgotten everything it knew in January.

No clue what WTR found at CotA.

I'd say the Taylors have matured as drivers. They are consistently fast, and far less often stupid, and don't lose concentration--I always looked at Ricky as fast but crazy, and Jordan pretty fast and stable. Both are fast and stable. now. But Christian Fittipladi and Joao Barbosa haven't aged a decade since January.

Not sure there is a "factory" GM team. I think GM pretty much doesn't care so long as all its cars are at the front. No one said anything about all that after the Rolex or Sebring. WTR got lucky/forceful a few times, really nailed the set-up once, and now suddenly we are rewriting history?
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Old 9 May 2017, 12:46 (Ref:3732465)   #188
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My memory is faulty .... the #5 got beat by a gigantic margin at the Rolex, right .... because it just isn't as good? Blown right off the track?


Well ... it got off the track Somehow, eh?

AXR was faster at Daytona. Enough faster that even facing backwards with seven minutes to go, they were catching up when the flag waved. The #5 was second at Sebring, got nailed by a GTD car at Long Beach, 3rd at CotA, and is second in points. The #31 has also finished second twice. Big electrical issues at Daytona, third at Sebring.

As I hear it WTR has more time with the car, but AXR has not forgotten everything it knew in January.

No clue what WTR found at CotA.

I'd say the Taylors have matured as drivers. They are consistently fast, and far less often stupid, and don't lose concentration--I always looked at Ricky as fast but crazy, and Jordan pretty fast and stable. Both are fast and stable. now. But Christian Fittipladi and Joao Barbosa haven't aged a decade since January.

Not sure there is a "factory" GM team. I think GM pretty much doesn't care so long as all its cars are at the front. No one said anything about all that after the Rolex or Sebring. WTR got lucky/forceful a few times, really nailed the set-up once, and now suddenly we are rewriting history?
There is.

AXR purchase their cars as a customer team now.
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Old 9 May 2017, 17:03 (Ref:3732512)   #189
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The Angelelli/Taylor family also have a longstanding relationship with Dallara, so even if GM smiles equally on the two teams, perhaps they have an edge with Dallara?

Now would that explain the domination the team displayed at COTA? Perhaps it's a combination of seeing the Taylor brothers enter their prime (which has been a pleasure to watch), extra testing and development time with Cadillac, and a better relationship with Dallara.

Also keep in mind, Long Beach and COTA are sprint races. Perhaps WTR dialed things back at the endurance races, and is unleashing the beast now. AXR has the reputation of a very conservative group focused on execution, perhaps at the expense of ultimate pace.

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