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Old 23 Oct 2013, 14:46 (Ref:3322142)   #46
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Is it possible to upgade a LMPC chassis to an Oreca 03 spec?
Possible yes, but last time I've heard it makes more sense to simply buy a new P2 car...
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Old 23 Oct 2013, 14:52 (Ref:3322144)   #47
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As far as I know an FLM09 is a P2 chassis with cheaper bits hung on it (and no fin.) I am sure it can be done, but not sure it would be cost-effective versus buying a brand-new P2 and engine lease.
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Old 23 Oct 2013, 18:36 (Ref:3322233)   #48
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Possible yes, but last time I've heard it makes more sense to simply buy a new P2 car...
Totally agree, I remember an interview made to Hughes the Chaunac saying that they weren´t going to do an upgrade bbecause it would be too expensive.

Probably it's much more profitable to sell the LMPC and buy a new LMP2 than upgrade a LMPC. The LMPC cars has a good market, those prototypes lose their value.
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Old 25 Oct 2013, 21:37 (Ref:3323060)   #49
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http://sportscar365.com/wec/welter-r...-car-for-2014/

Welter Racing developing an LMP1 chassis that can also be converted to LMP2
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Old 1 Nov 2013, 21:57 (Ref:3326110)   #50
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New Pilbeam LMP2 announced. This story has been knocking about for a while.
Not sure about the base motor. Ford, maybe?

http://sportscar365.com/wec/new-pilb...-car-revealed/
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Old 2 Nov 2013, 00:00 (Ref:3326146)   #51
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yes it will be Mountunes Ford Duratec engine. They have been running this in 650bhp format in the X-games and rally cross for about 3 years now, so I expect it will have been derived from all those lessons learned.......so running it at circa 500bhp or so should not be a big task, but running for 6 to 24 hours in one stint might be a challenge.........last time I spoke to mountune was they were having trouble convincing the LMP customers that it is a legitimate LMP2 engine, despite being priced about 30% under the LMP2 price cap.......one to watch, I hope a few other teams start to run this engine, it will add a bit of variety, perhaps get Ford interested too..........As Mountune are Fords designated aftermarket tuner, they are very much in bed with each other.
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New Pilbeam LMP2 announced. This story has been knocking about for a while.
Not sure about the base motor. Ford, maybe?

http://sportscar365.com/wec/new-pilb...-car-revealed/
Interesting to note that they already have a team/buyer lined up.
Also interesting, the render features Toyota-style fender-wings.
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Lmp2 isnt allowed a full width rear wing, nor fender extensions. So the illustration should not be the look of the final car.
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Lmp2 isnt allowed a full width rear wing, nor fender extensions. So the illustration should not be the look of the final car.
Are you sure about this ? I see nothing that prevents the "legal" rear wheel arch extensions "a la Toyota" to be used on LMP2s as well, but maybe I've missed something.
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Old 3 Nov 2013, 03:15 (Ref:3326452)   #55
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You must have missed it. Its stated in the rules under bodywork.
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You must have missed it. Its stated in the rules under bodywork.
Thanks for pointing where exactly, that was of great help

But, you are correct, I've missed something.

The relevant provision appears to be in Article 3.4.5 which pertains to the mandatory cut-outs on top of the wheel arches and which reads (emphasis added):
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LMP1 : no part of the bodywork around the rear wheel cut-outs may be higher than 725 mm from reference surface forward of the rear wheel centreline.
LMP2 : no part of the bodywork around the rear wheel cut-outs may be higher than 725 mm from reference surface.

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LMP1: the area of limitation of 725 mm from the reference surface is defined as being in front of the rear axle centreline and more than 500 mm from the car centreline on both sides, with the exclusion of rear-view mirrors.
LMP2: the area of limitation of 725 mm from the reference surface is defined as being in front of the rearmost point of the cut-out in the rear wheel arch and more than 500 mm from the car centreline on both sides, with the exclusion of rear-view mirrors.
In addition, no part of the bodywork rearward of the rear wheel cut-out and more than 810 mm from the car centreline may be higher than 725 mm from the reference surface.
So, in contrast to LMP1s, the area of limitation of 725 mm applies, in the case of LMP2s, to all of the bodywork area around the rear wheel cut-outs.

In other words, the illustrations of the new Pilbeam LMP2 are either erroneous or Pilbeam have overlooked something (as I did...)
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Long story short, lmp2 can not have full width rear wings nor wheel arch extensions.
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Long story short...
Shall I take that as a compliment ?

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...lmp2 can not have full width rear wings...
That's not the point; neither can LMP1s...

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...nor wheel arch extensions.
That's the point of my previous "long story"
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Shall I take that as a compliment ?



That's not the point; neither can LMP1s...



That's the point of my previous "long story"
What? In 2014 the lmp1 cars do have full width rear wings (if they are going 1800mm). I wasn't complimenting you, I said the illustration isn't even a legal car.
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What? In 2014 the lmp1 cars do have full width rear wings (if they are going 1800mm).
Well, I was talking of the current LMP rules under which the rear wheel arch extensions are "legal" for LMP1s, but not for LMP2s. There is no point in referring to the 2014 rules which do not affect LMP2s. That's not the subject. Under the current 2013 rules, neither LMP1s nor LMP2s are allowed full-width rear wings. That was my point.

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I wasn't complimenting you...
I was well aware of that

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