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Old 27 Aug 2016, 08:49 (Ref:3667804)   #46
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What Brock owned (and subsequent owners, nowadays Peter Champion) i thought was the "HDT" tag
This would seem to be correct, and logically nobody should or would be able to trademark any variant of a name held by a car manufacturer like that.

https://hdt.com.au/
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Old 28 Aug 2016, 13:09 (Ref:3668049)   #47
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I don't believe that TWR had anything at all to do with running Volvos in Australia. Volvo Oz sourced the car from TWR through Volvo Sweden and George Sheppard's team were contracted by Volvo Oz to run the team.
TWR did all the engines for Volvo Australia team
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Old 29 Aug 2016, 00:10 (Ref:3668271)   #48
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TWR did all the engines for Volvo Australia team
That would be TWR UK wouldn't it? They of course supplied the cars to Volvo in their entirety but the team was run for Volvo by George Shepheard through the season.

I'd expect that the engines went back and forth to the UK for rebuilds / updates etc.
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Old 29 Aug 2016, 01:03 (Ref:3668284)   #49
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This would seem to be correct, and logically nobody should or would be able to trademark any variant of a name held by a car manufacturer like that.

https://hdt.com.au/
The ownership of the 'Holden Dealer Team' or 'HDT' name is as clear as mud.

From what I can see Holden (General Motors LLC) have no claim to the name 'Holden Dealer Team' or 'HDT'. Although they do claim the name 'Holden' as their property.

The 'Holden Dealer Team HDT' trademark was originally registered to Holden's Motor Overseas Corporation. This registration has lapsed.

The 'Holden Dealer Team' trademark is now registered by HDT Special Vehicles PTY LTD, which is owned by Sandra Champion.

The 'HDT' trademark was originally registered to P G B Pty Ltd (Brock).

There are now multiple trademark registrations for HDT, primarily registered by Sandra Champion or James Gorman.

The business registration 'Holden Dealer Team' (ABN 44 343 205 538) is owned by Steven Whyte.
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Old 29 Aug 2016, 01:09 (Ref:3668286)   #50
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The ownership of any mark with Holden is pretty irrelevant, if someone tried to use it in VASC Holden would be in court and owning whatever mark it was in about 15 mins.

it is clear and obvious anybody trying to use this mark doesn't own it, it is clearly in the space Holden owns the main brand.

No point discussing this any further really, it just aint happening.
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Old 29 Aug 2016, 07:46 (Ref:3668337)   #51
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That would be TWR UK wouldn't it? They of course supplied the cars to Volvo in their entirety but the team was run for Volvo by George Shepheard through the season.

I'd expect that the engines went back and forth to the UK for rebuilds / updates etc.
TWR also sent people out to help the Shepheard team, they sent Jan Lammers out to test an 850 one year to help them sort it too.

Either way, the 1998 AMP 1000 two-car entry was a complete TWR effort, with practically the whole BTCC team coming out with the local ATSC/Shepheard effort lending a hand.
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In conclusion, TWR Australia had nothing to do with the Volvo team.

Having said that, they did allow Mr Brock to pedal one on the odd occasion...
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That would be TWR UK wouldn't it? They of course supplied the cars to Volvo in their entirety but the team was run for Volvo by George Shepheard through the season.
Correct - apart from being geographic TWR Australia and TWR UK were owned and run by Tom Walkinshaw were they not?

TWR UK also sent people to work on the Australian program - and as has been stated the 1998 Bathurst 1000 which delivered of the greatest Bathurst races of all time delivering Jim Richards his 7th Bathurst 1000.
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Correct - apart from being geographic TWR Australia and TWR UK were owned and run by Tom Walkinshaw were they not?

TWR UK also sent people to work on the Australian program - and as has been stated the 1998 Bathurst 1000 which delivered of the greatest Bathurst races of all time delivering Jim Richards his 7th Bathurst 1000.
The original point suggested that TWR ran the Volvo program with assistance from George Shepheard's operation. Other than Bathurst, that seems not to be the case. Certainly the 850 wagon & sedan programs involved TWR as a suppler to Volvo but not running the team although that may have changed once PB stopped driving for Volvo (a big bone of contention with TWR at the time).
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George Sheppard (Roadsafe) ran the Australian Volvo program, dating back to the 850s that ran in the 12hr for a couple of years. It was the success of that program that lead them into running the Super Tourers from '95-onwards. All additional technical and personel support were provided by TWR in the UK.

Bathurts of '97 and '98 were a mish-mash of TWR UK and Roadsafe.

There was no TWR Australia involvement.

I'm not sure where Brock fits into this. May have been a TWR thing, or just simply employed directly by Volvo Cars Australia.
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