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Old 23 Jan 2007, 08:00 (Ref:1822525)   #16
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Interesting little thread Scott!

I recall the one entrant being called John Jeffries Engineering that Belcher drove for. I'm sure he drove one in 1985 (Red and Blue two tone paint job) and then either leased or pedalled a GT16 Corolla in 1986/87?

My recollection is 3 cars in 1983, 2 x Datapost/Longman and 1 x Brooklyn/Hodgetts.

6 in 1984; 2 x Datapost, 1 x Hodgetts, 1 x Julian May (driven by Jock Robertson mainly white car), 1 x John Maguire (driven by Rob Hall, Universal Grinding Wheels backed decked out in White and blue stripes) and then there was Barry Lee's Total car which never ran properly thus scuppering a very handy driver's efforts.

2 Datapost cars started 1985 and then one continued when Longman introduced the RST, Brooklyn/Hodgetts ran 2 cars and there was Jeffries/Belcher car as stated at the top.

Can't quite remember who drove them in 1986/7/8/9 but with what he's posted KA seems on the money there.

The Julian May car ended up a sort of Scalextric Westwood Racing beige in it's latter couple of years didn't it??!!!
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Old 23 Jan 2007, 10:15 (Ref:1822625)   #17
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as a bit of an update,

The car i have is the Beige coloured one of Julian May.
The original White car was destroyed in an accident at thruxton, sheene spun in the wet and the rest of the pack ran into him.
Ford MOCO gave Julian a new shell and was rebuilt with the interesting beige colour.

Jock Robertson drove the car in 84, but had other commitments occasionally so another driver was found, Patrick Watts. Another driver looked at driving for Julian but the money asked for the drive was too much so declined the offer. This driver was Bob Murray, who raced Alfa suds.

In 1985 Jock Robertson was due to drive the car again, except he had problems with medical's so Patrick was given the drive. The car was at every meeting despite finances being tight, it started this season as a white car.

In 1986 the car was again only used on odd occasions, this time it was driven by ????, but up against the golf's and toyota's it never treally stood a chance.

In 1987 the car was driven by Dowsett and Barbara Cowell. but only raced a few times and never really showed any real form.

Thats about all i have as far as history of the car goes. I desperatly need pictures of the car in 1984,85 colours as i am in the process of re-building/restoring the car.
Patrick Watts has been a BIG help, but unfortunatly he wasnt one to keep souveniers (spl) so has no photos of the car. And i have had no luck in contacting any of the cars other old drivers, Robertson, Dowsett, Cowell.
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Old 23 Jan 2007, 10:58 (Ref:1822657)   #18
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as a bit of an update,

The car i have is the Beige coloured one of Julian May.
The original White car was destroyed in an accident at thruxton, sheene spun in the wet and the rest of the pack ran into him.
Ford MOCO gave Julian a new shell and was rebuilt with the interesting beige colour.

Jock Robertson drove the car in 84, but had other commitments occasionally so another driver was found, Patrick Watts.

I desperatly need pictures of the car in 1984,85 colours as i am in the process of re-building/restoring the car.
Scott, I thought I had a couple of the Class C (in which it ran) cars from the period. The only one i've got (that I could find) is a shot of it following the two datapost cars and Alan Minshaw's MK11 Golf GTi entering Woodcote in the last round of the '84 BTCC at Silverstone. Unfortunately it was taken from the grandstand with a very basic camera and the image of the car (white with black bumpers like the road version) is too small for posting on here - if you cropped it it would just blur out of all recognition. That is a shame.

The only other clear shot of an RS1600i I have is a rather bent looking shot of the Brooklyn car in the Thruxton paddock from earlier that year after Chris had had a shunt in practice!
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Old 24 Jan 2007, 07:18 (Ref:1824376)   #19
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In 1986 the car was again only used on odd occasions, this time it was driven by ????, but up against the golf's and toyota's it never treally stood a chance.

In 1987 the car was driven by Dowsett and Barbara Cowell. but only raced a few times and never really showed any real form.
Richard Belcher drove it a few times in 86- don't know if anyone else did, as I don't have full results for that season to hand right now.

1987 drivers included Dowsett, Watts, Keith Norman and possibly Barbara Cowell- she doesn't appear in any of the results I've got, but again they're not complete, I've got a couple of rounds missing at the moment- and she definitely drove it in 1988.

Another Escort appeared at least once in 88 under AJG Transport colours for Mark Goddard- it isn't yours, as it appeared at the same round as Barbara Cowell in the North Essex car at least once- Goddard also drove a Chris Hodgetts Corolla at least once, again with AJG backing. Any ideas?
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Old 24 Jan 2007, 09:47 (Ref:1824482)   #20
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Thanks for the information guys

The results i have for the 87 season show the car being driven by Barbara Cowell, mind you i did get the results form old motorsport news's, so could be wrong!!

As for 1988, i didnt think the car was still being used then? All the information i have with the car, scrutineering stickers etc.. show only upto september 1987. Unfortunatly i do not have the race log book for the car, it was with the car but the previous owner lost it and has since believed to have been burnt

I have not heard of Keith Norman before, or had him mentioned in relation to the North Essex Car?

Just when i think i have most of the driver line up of the car from its early beginings i find more info!!

Many many thanks guys, as i dont have the race files all tthis helping to put together a fuller history of the car.
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Old 24 Jan 2007, 11:33 (Ref:1824584)   #21
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I'll go back and check the years of the info I gave you, just to be sure- I did post that in a hurry, so might have mixed the years up. As a teenager at the time, I used to keep a record of touring car results- I unearthed all of this stuff in a folder a while ago and I'm trying to sort it all out at the moment- the info came from Autosport/MN at the time, but at the minute I've still got lots of gaps to fill in.

Keith Norman I think was a one-off drive at Donington, according to the notes I looked at this morning. The name doesn't ring any immediate bells with me, but it was nearly 20 years ago...

Again, I'll check re Barbara Cowell in 88- I don't have many of my Autosports to hand from that period (most still in parents' loft 200 miles away), but think I've got the end of season reviews here- I've certainly got some race programmes from 88 I can check to make sure
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Old 24 Jan 2007, 16:03 (Ref:1824876)   #22
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just been having a browse of the net again for more information and came across this entry list for the 1988 season.http://www.btcc-racing.com/results/1988/1988entry.asp

Cant see an entry for the North Essex Car, but this list could be wrong?
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Old 24 Jan 2007, 16:35 (Ref:1824905)   #23
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just been having a browse of the net again for more information and came across this entry list for the 1988 season.http://www.btcc-racing.com/results/1988/1988entry.asp

Cant see an entry for the North Essex Car, but this list could be wrong?
It's ok, I don't think it did the early rounds but was definitely out from roughly mid season onwards. I remember a grid shot in one mag from Brands Hatch and you could see it towards the back.

Off topic, but it's a shame that site doesn't take the entry lists back further than 1988. Perhaps they'll add to it if they can get the info?

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Old 25 Jan 2007, 06:47 (Ref:1825415)   #24
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It's ok, I don't think it did the early rounds but was definitely out from roughly mid season onwards. I remember a grid shot in one mag from Brands Hatch and you could see it towards the back.

Off topic, but it's a shame that site doesn't take the entry lists back further than 1988. Perhaps they'll add to it if they can get the info?
There are definitely a few errors in that list, mainly slightly phonetic spellings of drivers names, and a lot of missing drivers, mostly 2nd drivers from the 1-hour race at Donington. I'm guessing it was compiled from watching the series review video.... I did have a go a while back at compiling entry lists from race results in Autosport etc back to about 1984 (think a couple got posted in threads on Tenths) - it's surprising how difficult it is to get right, particularly if you want to include the race numbers, unless you've got all of the programmes as well

I'll dig my old programmes etc out tonight- I should be able to fill in a few results for Scott's RS1600i and confirm when it raced in 88.
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Old 25 Jan 2007, 08:32 (Ref:1825466)   #25
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It's ok, I don't think it did the early rounds but was definitely out from roughly mid season onwards. I remember a grid shot in one mag from Brands Hatch and you could see it towards the back.
There was an Escort at the '88 Brands Hatch GP round (round 10), but it's a white one, rather than North Essex beige. Obviously that doesn't preclude that car being there also, but the white one is the only one you see in the video (being lapped by the battling M3s) - video quality isn't good enough to see a number clearly, but it might be 17. No name given either, unfortunately.

Scott, did you have the car up for sale a few months ago? Does it have an ally cage?
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Old 25 Jan 2007, 21:48 (Ref:1826064)   #26
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As for 1988, i didnt think the car was still being used then? All the information i have with the car, scrutineering stickers etc.. show only upto september 1987. Unfortunatly i do not have the race log book for the car, it was with the car but the previous owner lost it and has since believed to have been burnt
I've just dug out some Autosports and can confirm Barbara Cowell in the car in 1988- in the report for Round 9 at Snetterton at the end of July 88, your car appears in a photo with Andrew Jeffrey's Golf and John Llewellyn's Corolla- the caption is 'Jeffrey, Cowell (74) and Llewellyn head for the Bombhole'

From the report, Barbara briefly led the class on the first lap, but retired with engine problems on the same lap. This is the race best known for Mike Smith getting invoved in a shunt on lap 1, then rejoining 3 laps down, now running slicks on a drying track, and nicking the point for fastest lap from BMW team-mate Sytner- Frank famously wasn't amused....


From the notes I've got, she also appeared at:

Round 8- Brands (the support race at the Group C meeting, best known for the Rouse/Soper battle for the lead)- finished 19th and 2nd in class behind Dowsett's Corolla

Round 9- Snetterton, retired, as mentioned above

'Round 11'- Birmingham- the race that never was... Didn't qualify

and the final round at Silverstone- 18th overall, 5th in class D

There might have been more appearances- I've got a few races missing from my notes for 88

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Old 30 Jan 2007, 07:43 (Ref:1829229)   #27
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what can i say, thanks with the history

Its good to finally get somewhere with the cars race history, and to fill in a few blank areas.

Tim, yes i did have the car up for sale last year, and yes it does have an alloy roll cage. The only reason the car was up for sale is because i also have a S1 RS turbo that i have built for track days etc.. and it wasnt getting finished due to my time (and money) going on the race car!!
Have since got round to finishing the S1 and have now got time to restore the race car fully and hopefully get to use it at various track days/events when i can.

My main area that i want to get sorted is reliability, as you can tell from the results that the car had, it could have won a few times if it wasnt for failures, which after speaking to the team owner and one of its former drivers (watts) the main problem with the car was lack of money spent on preparing and testing. Now its only to be used for occasional days it can hopefully become the car it should be.
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1980's Escort Touring cars

Hi i wondered anyone can help me, im a huge MK3 Escort fan especially the Turbo. I have my own website www.seriesoneturbo.co.uk It has a good few members and special cars.

Princess Dianna's black car

Datapost turbo

Datapost 16i

Brooklyn 16i

Julian may 16i

Im also in contact with Alan Curnow,Richard Longman,Karl jones and Lionel Abbott.


can anyone help with any race pics or info??? Im looking for Stuart McCrudden ilford cars, Richard askwith Duckhams cars also anything else please, there are many pics and video clips on my site already.

regards


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Don't know if they have any photos of any Mk3 turbos, but try the ETCC section of www.racingsportscars.com its a class site even if it is no help....
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Don't know if they have any photos of any Mk3 turbos, but try the ETCC section of www.racingsportscars.com its a class site even if it is no help....
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ETCC appearances by RS Turbos were fairly sporadic- from memory, the Richard Longman Datapost cars at the TT in 85/86, Karl Jones' Asquith-run Duckhams car at the 87 TT, and some of the German cars at the Ring and maybe Spa- you might find pics of some of those on Racingsportscars. RS1600is should be no problem- plenty of them ran in the ETCC . It would be worth a look at Frank de Jong's Touring Car History site for results and pics
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/index.html

An ex-DTM RS Turbo was featured in one of the various Ford enthusiast magazines a couple of months back as I recall
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