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Old 20 Aug 2016, 00:41 (Ref:3666664)   #31
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and yet holden claim every holden win, as do ford, often. I have seen many castrol posters showing all the castrol winners, Thus HRT can claim any future wins as part of their history.
Does get a little confusing. Are all the HDT wins grouped together? The 1979 HDT had a very different ownership structure to the 1980 version.
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Old 20 Aug 2016, 00:46 (Ref:3666665)   #32
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I have seen many castrol posters showing all the castrol winners, Thus HRT can claim any future wins as part of their history.
Castrol can claim all of the victories in which it sponsored the winning car, be it Prodrive, Kelly, Perkins, HDT or anyone else.

Don't think HRT (as in WR) will be able to claim any future 888 victories, would be like the HDT claiming the 1990 Bathurst victory as theirs. And I don't think 888 are going to add WR's victories to its own tally.
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Old 20 Aug 2016, 00:52 (Ref:3666666)   #33
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Are all the HDT wins grouped together? The 1979 HDT had a very different ownership structure to the 1980 version.
True, while there was a new owner, it was the same drivers, same engineers, same workshop with the same naming rights sponsor. So from the outside it was a fairly seamless transition.
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Old 20 Aug 2016, 00:57 (Ref:3666668)   #34
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Castrol can claim all of the victories in which it sponsored the winning car, be it Prodrive, Kelly, Perkins, HDT or anyone else.

Don't think HRT (as in WR) will be able to claim any future 888 victories, would be like the HDT claiming the 1990 Bathurst victory as theirs. And I don't think 888 are going to add WR's victories to its own tally.
HRT is just a sponsorship like castrol though. Walkinshaw racing can only claim races they have won whiel using the HRT brand and any future wins,

I read this week articles linking Walkinshaw win sto the the wins of Kelly racing in 2003 and 2004 as well as championship win in 2006 and 2007
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HRT is just a sponsorship like castrol though. Walkinshaw racing can only claim races they have won whiel using the HRT brand and any future wins,

I read this week articles linking Walkinshaw win sto the the wins of Kelly racing in 2003 and 2004 as well as championship win in 2006 and 2007
Why can Walkinshaw only claim races they've won using the HRT brand? What about Walkinshaw's team winning Bathurst in 1985 and 1998?
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When Perkins was contracted to run them, does he get those stats?
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Why can Walkinshaw only claim races they've won using the HRT brand? What about Walkinshaw's team winning Bathurst in 1985 and 1998?
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and any pre HRT, sorry, took that as a given as they already claimed them, was talking about going forward

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I read this week articles linking Walkinshaw win sto the the wins of Kelly racing in 2003 and 2004 as well as championship win in 2006 and 2007
People tend to gloss over while Kmart/HSVDT when established in 2001 was a 100% owned TWR subsidiary, from 2003 it was owned by the Kellys with HRT providing the hardware. There was still a close bond witnessed by the 2006 Bathurst drive swap, but the relationship soured after key personnel and the title sponsor were transferred to HRT for 2008.
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Why can Walkinshaw only claim races they've won using the HRT brand? What about Walkinshaw's team winning Bathurst in 1985 and 1998?
Splitting hairs, but Walkinshaw Racing as in the current Australia operation, was founded in 1990. The 1985 and 1998 Bathurst wins were run by TWR UK with no input from the Australian operation.

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When Perkins was contracted to run them, does he get those stats?
Depends on how you define HRT's formation date. Could be beginning of 1988 when Perkins Engineering ran the ATCC campaign on a sub-contract basis. Or Sandown 1989 when the HRT brand debuted. But I think the general consensus is that HRT was formed in 1990 when TWR established a workshop within HSV's facility.
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Old 20 Aug 2016, 09:12 (Ref:3666704)   #39
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The 1998 TWR Volvo campaign was bolstered by George Sheppard's Roadsafe Motorsport personnel.
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The 1998 TWR Volvo campaign was bolstered by George Sheppard's Roadsafe Motorsport personnel.
I don't believe that TWR had anything at all to do with running Volvos in Australia. Volvo Oz sourced the car from TWR through Volvo Sweden and George Sheppard's team were contracted by Volvo Oz to run the team.
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George Sheppard's team ran the touring car campaigns. At Bathurst in 1997 some TWR staff were on hand and in 1998 it was pretty much a TWR effort assisted by Sheppard's team.
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Yep, as per above. I failed to mention Bathurst.
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Who owns the Holden Dealer Team name? Is it Peter Champion? Maybe Ryan Walkinshaw needs to get on the phone to him.
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Who owns the Holden Dealer Team name? Is it Peter Champion? Maybe Ryan Walkinshaw needs to get on the phone to him.
Lets not forget that the Holden Dealer Team was totally arranged by Holden corporate to make an end-run around GM's rules that no factory-sponsored racing was allowed.
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Who owns the Holden Dealer Team name? Is it Peter Champion? Maybe Ryan Walkinshaw needs to get on the phone to him.
I thought Holden owned the "Holden Dealer Team" tag

What Brock owned (and subsequent owners, nowadays Peter Champion) i thought was the "HDT" tag

Hence why after the split, the cars had their "Holden Dealer Team" stickers pulled off, but the "HDT" stickers stayed and the team was still called "HDT Racing", and the business "HDT Special Vehicles"
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