GT3 v's Supercar v's SuperTouring v's TCR - The Ultimate Thread

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

There's chat of a few cars from NZ coming over, but yeah I can't see any meaningful grid numbers.

How many are left? From memory the number was never really high, at least not in the genuinely competitve cars. I caus some extra may have come from OS since

[D.R.T.]

And another event scheduled for Sandown in November.
https://www.stracingaustralia.com.au/events

[chavez]

For those who are interested in Super Touring the '97 & '98 Great Races will be released on DVD for the first time in October as part of the Seven magic Moments in Motorsport Series.

Who would have thought there was a market for Super Touring DVD's? The market for Supercar DVDs has apparently disappeared. Super Tourers win by default.

[Mixer]

DVD format shows Super Tourer fans are living in the past. Why no VHS release, or even Beta!

[Umai Naa]

Be great if the championship seasons were released. I think they only did one season.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Be great if the championship seasons were released. I think they only did one season.

Two I think.

You can buy the '98 Review on DVD, VHS or download from Duke Video.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Mixer

DVD format shows Super Tourer fans are living in the past. Why no VHS release, or even Beta!

Given the whole 7MMOM series is on the same format, not just the Super Touring DVDs i'd say it's the people making the products living in the past.

Originally Posted by Mixer

Be great if the championship seasons were released. I think they only did one season.

I wonder who owns all the TOCA Australia film archive? Did any of it get kept?
There would be lots of great racing in there

[Umai Naa]

Did they own footage? Or did it belong to whoever held the broadcast rights?

'96-'99 were fantastic years.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Did they own footage? Or did it belong to whoever held the broadcast rights?

'96-'99 were fantastic years.

As far as I know TOCA Australia owned the footage, they organised all the filming and post-production and then bought the airtime on the various networks to show the races.

[Umai Naa]

Makes sense.

Since TOCA Aus is very dead, a chat to the Morris family might be in order.

[Terry S]

I see that if V8Supercars take over GT class they are going to call it Super GT. Isn't that SUPER?

And if they take over the Hyundai Excel series they will call it SuperExcel!

[Axeman444]

Imagine if they took over the MAN Truck Racing series...

[peckstar]

We check out Germany’s version of Aussie V8 Supercars

Thought it was an interesting read in relation to this thread

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by peckstar

We check out Germany’s version of Aussie V8 Supercars

Thought it was an interesting read in relation to this thread

DTM is nothing like V8 Supercars... the entire premise is flawed. DTM only has works car from three, later two, manufacturers, with very rigid team order structures to ensure the "chosen" driver collects maximum points.

While I only skimmed the article did they mention that DTM is incredibly boring? It's what happens when you let manufacturers run their own series.

BTCC would be a better comparison, as like Supercars it's full of independents out for themselves.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by peckstar

We check out Germany’s version of Aussie V8 Supercars


Thought it was an interesting read in relation to this thread

This comparison is an insult to Supercars.

[rich07]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

DTM is nothing like V8 Supercars... the entire premise is flawed. DTM only has works car from three, later two, manufacturers, with very rigid team order structures to ensure the "chosen" driver collects maximum points.

While I only skimmed the article did they mention that DTM is incredibly boring? It's what happens when you let manufacturers run their own series.

BTCC would be a better comparison, as like Supercars it's full of independents out for themselves.

Very good points

The manufacturers call the shots there, no room for privateers to fight the factory teams. Merchandise is surprisingly hard to come by also. The cars are pretty cool but they're too aero dependant unlike a Supercar which makes for some processional racing. Don't get me started on them incorporating DRS...

When DTM first returned around 2000 the cars had much less aero which lead to some fantastic racing which can be found on YouTube. Maybe DTM has to go that way.

[Umai Naa]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Super Tourers are baaaaaack...

Aaaaannnd they were a no-show at the October Wakefield Park event.

Will they appear at Sandown this weekend?

[bludvl_x19]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Aaaaannnd they were a no-show at the October Wakefield Park event.

Will they appear at Sandown this weekend?

Nope. 944's (IIRC) were sourced as a replacement about 4-6 weeks ago.

[one five five]

A pity, any revival of an historic Super Touring class would surely warrant the revival of "ol faithful" of this section of the tentenths.com forum, the "02 astc" thread

[Umai Naa]

And the same reasons for that thread's length, are the same as now; no one can afford to run one, let alone buy one.

[mayhem]

Is switching to SuperGT's as DTM are investigating the answer?
DTM to SuperGT?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by mayhem

Is switching to SuperGT's as DTM are investigating the answer?
DTM to SuperGT?

I saw that article and wondered the same thing. would in theory allow an easy Commodore transition if required

Not a v8 which would be a negative, but maybe Gen 3 will move the audience on and be ok with that

[one five five]

I thought Supercars already had SuperGT planned for this season??

[fomoco]

Originally Posted by peckstar

I saw that article and wondered the same thing. would in theory allow an easy Commodore transition if required

Not a v8 which would be a negative, but maybe Gen 3 will move the audience on and be ok with that

I am with you on this, can I add this :


The GT categories , GT- GT 4 , are popping up more across the globe.

There is still a few places to race V8 powered cars.
but that seems to be diminishing, in line with the main manufactures in Europe going towards diesel, and in the near future , hybrid and elec cars , as the European Union push towards no fossil fuel powered cas by the next 10 years or less.

That basically leaves the God-dam US of A , to still run V8's.

So GT series running at first, Turbo Diesel 4's then crossing to all out elec series

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

And the same reasons for that thread's length, are the same as now; no one can afford to run one, let alone buy one.

Lots of people, however, can afford to run GT4s.

GT4s are:

• Relatively cheap
• Production based
• Relatively slow
• Wide variety of manufacturers

The Nissan 370Z GT4, Ford Mustang GT4 and Chevrolet Camaro GT4 are already homologated and would be a simple turn-key solution for the respective teams (or they could choose from the wide range of other homologated marques).





Would they be a suitable regulation for the Supercars/ATCC? Would it be a faux pas for "Supercars"/ATCC to be significantly slower and less spectacular than GT3 cars?

Technically these are GT cars not touring cars, and they have the wrong number of doors. Should a "sedan" subclass of GT4 be created for slow and affordable GT4-style production-based four-doors such as the BMW M3, Mercedes C43 AMG and Alfa Romeo Giulia QV to compete in the Supercars championship?