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Old 25 Aug 2010, 17:43 (Ref:2750080)   #1
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All things considered, what would your practical calendar be?

After several threads on scheduling and the calendar, perhaps it's time for us to say how we'd do it. As I said, these should be realistic calendars, not ones proposing bringing back the Nordschleife or whatever ...

My thoughts shortly.
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Old 25 Aug 2010, 19:19 (Ref:2750135)   #2
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Mine would consist of 20 rounds.

Austrailian GP - Melbourne
Malaysian GP - Sepang
Brazilian GP - Interlagos
Spanish GP - Catalunya
Monaco GP - Monte Carlo (obviously )
Turkish GP - Istanbul
European GP (or named Luxembourg GP again?) - Nurburgring GP Curcuit
Canadian GP - Montreal
Hungarian GP - Budapest
German GP - Hockenheim
British GP - Silverstone
Belgian GP - Spa Francorchamps
Itailan GP - Monza
Bahrain GP - Sakhir
Abu Dhabi - Yas Marina
Singapore GP - Singapore
Chinese GP - Shanghai
South Korea - Yeongam
Japanese GP - Suzuka
Asian GP - Adelaide
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Old 25 Aug 2010, 20:46 (Ref:2750207)   #3
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Spa-Francorchamps, Monza, Monte Carlo, Magny-Cours, Hockenheim or Nurburgring, Silverstone, Catalunya, Budapest I guess

Melbourne, Kuala Lumpur, Suzuka, Singapore,

Interlagos, Montreal and a USGP somewhere, I guess Laguna Seca

The remaining 3 races I'd have rotating between different countries. 1 year you have 3 countries host (no double hosting amongst countries), the next year 3 different ones host.
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Old 25 Aug 2010, 21:16 (Ref:2750220)   #4
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Eighteen races here.

Australian Grand Prix - Albert Park - A great first race to have on the calendar
Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay - I do have a penchant for street circuits.
Malaysian Grand Prix - Sepang - A high quality circuit that produces good races, although attendances might need a bit of work.
French Grand Prix - Paul Ricard - There has to be a French GP, this is the least worst venue. Temporary stands will be needed, but the French GP is essential.
Portugese Grand Prix - Algarve Autodrome - A high quality new circuit that has elevation changes. Also returning a race to Portugal
Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo - A classic race that needs no explanation.
Spanish Grand Prix - Motorland Aragon - After boring races in Valencia and Barcelona, I think this circuit should provide better races.
Canadian Grand Prix - Circuit Gilles Villeneuve - A excellent circuit in a great location.
Polish Grand Prix - Poznan - This would need building, so it is pushing the practical. It would need time. However, Poland is actually a logical venue for a Grand Prix. A recent demo there (in Poznan) could have filled out Bahrain or Abu Dhabi's circuits twice. It also has a good location in the centre of Europe.
British Grand Prix - Silverstone - Needs no introduction.
German Grand Prix - Hockenheim - OK, the old one isn't coming back but the current circuit isn't too bad. There has to be a German race on the calendar.
Finnish Grand Prix - Helsinki Street Circuit - There may be local opposition to such a thing happening, but the Scandinavia region needs a Grand Prix. Finland is logical due to its motorsport history.
Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps - Needs no justification, the UK August Bank Holiday is a good weekend.
Italian Grand Prix - Monza - One of the great races, the (recent) traditional lowering of the curtain on the European season
Korean Grand Prix - Yeongam - I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt here. The track doesn't look too bad, and I think Korea could be a good country for F1. A Korean manufacturer and/or driver would obviously help.
Japanese Grand Prix - Suzuka - It's the Spa of the East; an excellent circuit in a country with a passionate motorsport fanbase.
Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos - An excellent circuit, a toss-up on which would get the last slot on the calendar.
USA Grand Prix - Austin - Austin should be a good fit for the US GP, although we don't know what circuit they will come up with. A slightly later than normal race time would guarantee a good television time for what could be the season decider in both the US and Europe.
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Old 26 Aug 2010, 13:23 (Ref:2750567)   #5
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1 Melbourne, 2 Sepang, 3 Sakhir, 4 Spanish GP, 5 Mugello, 6 Monte Carlo, 7 Montreal, 8 Indianapolis, 9 Silverstone, 10 Nürburgring, 11 A1-Ring, 12 Hungaroring, 13 Spa Francorchamps, 14 Monza, 15 Singapore Night Race, 17 Portimao, 18 Kurtkoy, 19 Interlagos, 20 Potrero De Los Funes, 21 Suzuka, 22 Macao (widened)

Oh, that's too many. Edit out A1-Ring and Mugello and you have 20.
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Old 27 Aug 2010, 07:48 (Ref:2750940)   #6
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Practical:

1. Australia: Albert Park, Adelaide or Bathurst (if Macao is valid so is this)
2. Malaysia: Sepang
3. Abu Dhabi: Yas Marina (Alternate with Bahrain/Qatar?)
4. Spain: Jerez or Motorland Aragon
5. Monaco: Monte Carlo. Always a classic
6. Portugal: Algarve
7. Austria: A1 Ring (alternate with Brno?)
8. USA: Austin.....?
9. Canada: Montreal
10. Britain: Silverstone
11. Germany: Nurburgring/Hockenheim alt.
12. Belgium: Spa Another classic?
13. Hungary: Still the Eastern European Standard.
14. Italy: Monza A classic circuit (Imola and Mugello not as good)
15. Singapore: A night race once a year is a feature in a brilliant Asian crossroads.
16. Japan: Suzuka. Where else?
17. Brazil: Interlagos (I always preferred Rio but that may no longer be practical)
18. Mexico: A revamped (No Mr Tilke, not you.) Mexico City track-classic venue

I am sympathetic to Brno, Kyalami, Bahrain, Ricard, Argentina (Potrero de Los Funes), Korea as fillers or alternates/next in line but China is out.
I could happily drop Malaysia and replace it with Singapore followed by a revamped Kyalami.....or Capetown

I have also wondered if having a race in relatively small adjacent markets might be better served by alternating the venues annually. (Bahrain/Abu Dhabi or Abu Dhabi/Qatar or Budapest/Brno, A1 Ring/Brno)
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Old 28 Aug 2010, 13:47 (Ref:2751400)   #7
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First group: European classics

Monaco - Monte Carlo, May
Britain - Silverstone, July
Germany - Hockenheim (better track) / Nürburgring (better kept history), July
Belgium - Spa, September
Italy - Monza, September

Second group: non-European classics

Australia - Melbourne, March
Canada - Montreal, June
Japan - Suzuka, October
Brazil - Interlagos, November

Third group: recent great places

Malaysia - Sepang, April
Singapore - Marina Bay, October
Abu Dhabi - Yas Marina, November

Fourth group: good countries, bad or unrealistic circuits

Spain - ???, May (no track is good enough for current cars)
United States - ???, June (but where? I hope that Austin works)
France - ???, June (Paul Ricard? Le Mans?)

That's 15. You can add others. But please no Bahrain, Valencia or Hungaroring.
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Old 28 Aug 2010, 14:17 (Ref:2751403)   #8
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NaBUru38s calender is pretty much what I would do. I would like to see Brazil back as the season ender but that won't happen for a while.

I would run:

Spain - Jerez
France - Le Castellet
US - I too hope the Austin track works out good, Austin really seems like a good fit for Formula 1

Additional ones:

Argentina - Potrero de Los Funes (I would do horrible things to see this happen)
Portugal - Portimao
Finland(+Sweden?) - Helsinki street race, maybe alternating with Gotland Ring if they get the full circuit built.
Hungary - Budapest, great crowd but dull circuit, therefor a serious look at what can be made to improve it.
Poland - Poznan, needs work but could be great.
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Old 28 Aug 2010, 16:25 (Ref:2751456)   #9
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1. Brazil - Interlagos
2. Argentina - Portero de los Funes
3. South Africa - Kyalami
4. Spain - Aragon
5. San Marino - Imola
6. Germany - Nurburgring
7. Holland - Zandvoort
8. Monaco
9. Canada - Montreal
10. USA - Indianapolis (the MotoGP course but with the speedway T1)
11. Mexico - Mexico City
12. Britain - Silverstone
13. France - Paul Ricard
14. Czech Republic - Brno
15. Belgium - Spa
16. italy - Monza
17. Portugal - Algarve
18. Japan - Suzuka
19. New Zealand - Hampton Downs
20. Australia - Adelaide *Night Race*

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Old 28 Aug 2010, 20:06 (Ref:2751522)   #10
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Alright, here goes:
1. Australia- Melbourne
2. Brazil- Interlagos
3. Argentina- Potrero de los Funes
4. Malaysia- Sepang
5. Spain- Motorland Aragon
6. Monaco- Monte Carlo
7. Turkey- Istanbul
8. Canada- Montreal
9. USA- Austin
10. France- Paul Ricard
11. Britain- Silverstone
12. Germany- Hockenheim
13. Czech Republic- Brno
14. Belgium- Spa-Francorchamps
15. Italy- Monza
16. Portugal- Algarve
17. Japan- Suzuka
18. Singapore- Marina Bay
19. South Korea- Yeongam
20. UAE- Abu Dhabi

Here are my reserves, if needed, or if Bernie forces a larger calendar on the series.
1. South Africa- Kyalami
2. Mexico- Mexico City
3. Europe- Nurburgring/Mugello
4. Sweden- Gotland Ring (once the GP loop is completed)
5. Asia- Dubai, Shanghai (DTM), or Jaypee Group Circuit (India)
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Old 28 Aug 2010, 20:32 (Ref:2751537)   #11
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1. Australia - Melbourne Park
2. South Africa - Kyalami
3. Dubai / Bahrain (alternating each year)
4. Malaysia - Sepang
5. Portugal - Portimao
6. Monaco
7. Czech Republic - Brno
8. Canada - Montreal
9. US - Indianapolis (Moto GP circuit)
10. France - Magny-Cours
11. Britain - Silverstone
12. Germany - Nurburgring / Hockenheim (alternating)
13. Belgium - Spa
14. Italy - Monza
15. Spain - Jerez / Aragon (alternating)
16. Singapore - Marina Bay
17. Japan - Suzuka
18. Abu Dhabi / Qatar (alternating)
19. Mexico - Mexico City
20. Brazil - Interlagos
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Old 28 Aug 2010, 21:30 (Ref:2751565)   #12
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Why so little love for Imola? I always thought it was a great flowing track but is challenging and un-forgiving, similar to Montreal.
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Old 28 Aug 2010, 23:19 (Ref:2751586)   #13
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if we're being serious (to a point), take off brno. for the same reason no-one wants the british gp at brands hatch. they'd ruin a really good circuit.

and don't include motorland aragon either - they need to build something in the region of about 10 hotels before they could even consider holding a proper race and that's just not possible. it's an obscure in the middle of nowhere little town that couldn't support 10 hotels the whole year round.

i'd go (in no particular order)
hungaroring
monaco
monza
silverstone
a grand prix in france - venue unimportant
singapore
abu dhabi
melbourne/adelaide
montreal
nurburgring/hockenheim
interlagos
spa
suzuka
algarve

i'm sure i've forgotten some.
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Old 29 Aug 2010, 03:33 (Ref:2751618)   #14
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All right, here's what I got (in order):

Brazil - Interlagos
Argentina - Potrero de los Funes
South Africa - venue TBD
Spain - Catalunya
Portugal - Algarve
San Marino - Imola
Monaco - Monte Carlo
Canada - Montreal
Britain - Silverstone
France - venue TBD (leaning Paul Ricard but open for debate)
Germany - Nürburgring
Hungary - Hungaroring
Belgium - Spa
Italy - Monza
USA - Austin, TX
Japan - Suzuka
Malaysia - Sepang
Australia - venue TBD (I hate Albert Park, but Australia needs a race.. new venue?)
Abu Dhabi - Yas Marina

For the record, the following were intentionally left off: Bahrain (boring), China (no fanbase), Korea (does it even happen this year?), Istanbul (see China), Singapore (Bernie-the-troll money grab), Valencia (AWFUL circuit design)
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Old 30 Aug 2010, 22:21 (Ref:2752479)   #15
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Bella, it would hardly be the first time a GP was held in an obscure location, if they held it at Aragon, and this includes the modern era of F1. Anyway, Motorland Aragon is hosting MotoGP this year, so it's good enough in my book.

Also, unlike Brands Hatch, Brno has no ultra-fast corners, and has no lack of run-off either. Not to mention, none of the straights are even close to long enough to warrant adding chicanes. And tightening existing corners would only serve to reduce run-off areas, which would be unacceptable, therefore, they won't do that either.

Duff, okay, I don't understand how you say you hate Melbourne. Can you help me out here?

BTW, you do realize that any new venue done by Tilke will be far worse than either Melbourne or Adelaide.

Also, you should realize that Adelaide is a bit unrealistic as the GP layout has been unused for 10 years, and anyway, F1 would insist on a longer, wider pit straight, a 2nd gear Senna Chicane, and having EVERY bump ground out of those streets (so no more twitchy cars on the Brabham Straight, and no more spark showers for the fans).
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For what it's worth:

1. Australia - Melbourne Park
2. South Africa - Kyalami
3. Bahrain - Bahrain
4. Malaysia - Sai Pang
5. Portugal - Estoril
6. San Marino - Imola
7. Monaco
8. Canada - Montreal
9. USA - Laguna Seca
10. France - Magny-Cours/Le Castellet (alternating)
11. GB - Silverstone (old and new layout alternating)
12. Germany - Nurburgring / Hockenheim (alternating)
13. Belgium - Spa
14. Italy - Monza
15. Spain - Jerez / Aragon (alternating)
16. Singapore - Marina Bay
17. Japan - Suzuka/Motegi (alternating)
18. Mexico - Mexico City
19. Argentina - Buenos Aires
20. Brazil - Interlagos
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Bella, it would hardly be the first time a GP was held in an obscure location, if they held it at Aragon, and this includes the modern era of F1. Anyway, Motorland Aragon is hosting MotoGP this year, so it's good enough in my book.
having been there twice this year and had to stay 1hr30-2hrs from the circuit each time, i can confirm that it really isn't suitable in the current state of the area. that was for the world series by renault (testing and race weekend), and that's not a particularly large circus in terms of workforces to accomodate. motogp really will struggle - the circuit is absolutely fine, in fact in terms of facilities and vastness it's better than most in europe. the paddock is HUGE (i mean, really really huge), it's perfectly flat and tarmac-ed and the weather is pleasant most of the time. the garages are big and spanking new, and the circuit has plenty of places for spectators with great viewing. that's why they're happy to go there. i bet if you ask any motogp team if they've struggled to find accomodation i know what the answer will be.

it was fine with me - there were about 3 routes from my hotel in a small town to the circuit and every single one of them was an absolute BLAST. i'm just saying it simply wouldn't be able to cope and the area doesn't have the capital waiting to be invested - the road improvement projects funded by both the country and the region in the area have ground to a halt. don't get me wrong i absolutely love the place and the area is pretty untouched by tourism, it just really really isn't a good idea to even think about holding a top line race there yet!

/tl;dr

as for brno... the drivers seem to love it. which makes it a dead cert for being mugged by the fia for improvements it's amazing to spectate at though.
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Old 31 Aug 2010, 03:22 (Ref:2752540)   #18
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Melbourne
Suzuka
Singapore
Jaypee
Bahrain
Algarve
Jerez
Imola
Monaco
Spa
Silverstone
Monza
Paul Ricard
Nurb/Hock
Hungaroring
Canada
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Hmmm ok, I'll bite:

1: Australia, Gold Coast (since everyone hates Albert Park)
2: Malaysia, Sepang
3: Abu Dhabi, Yas Marina
4: South Africa, Kyalami
5: San Marino, Imola
6: Monaco, Monte Carlo
7: Portugal, Portimao (I skip Spain)
8: Great Britain, Silverstone
9: Canada, Montreal
10: USA, Austin (but really Laguna Seca if possible )
11: Netherlands, Zandvoort
12: Germany, Hockenheim
13: Luxemburg, Nürburgring
14: Belgium, Spa-Francorchamps
15: Italy, Monza
16: Japan, Suzuka
17: Argentina, Buenos Aires
18: Brazil, Interlagos

No rich oil states here, nor any new countries.. Just proven venues that actually draw crowds at the grandstands
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Practical calendars aren't anywhere near as much fun...

Let's see: We have 12 circuits contracted to run to at least 2014 - so those are staying...
(in order of contract length: Silverstone, Austin, Monaco, India, Rome Street Circuit, Monza, Hungaroring, Bahrain, Barcelona, Melbourne, Sepang & Valencia)

Of the current Grand Prix on the calendar, five are no brainer must-keeps...
(Spa, Suzuka, Montreal, at least one of the German Circuits & Interlagos)


So that fills up 17 spots of my calendar without really thinking about it...


Beyond that, of the current crop, I'd like to keep Istanbul Park on the calendar - but can't see it happening really - the promoters don't look like they've been making money off it and I'm not sure the Turkish gov't would put up the cash for it - so it looks like I'll have three new circuits to add...


There are 6 non championship circuits which hold a FIA Grade 1 licence, & could host a GP straight away are: Fuji, Imola, Indianapolis, Mangy-Cours, Mugello, and Paul Ricard.

On that basis a French Grand Prix would definately be back on my calender at one of the two circuits. Imola/Mugello is definately out, as there are already 2 italian based GPs on long term contracts.

A second US Grand Prix would probably please the sponsors. And if the sponsors and teams push for it, perhaps it's a possibility, even though they won't pay the 'going rate' for new GPs. We won't go straight from none to two straight away, but if Austin is a success while the current tracks are winding down their existing contracts, then why not?

There are a further 9 circuits which hold a Grade 1T licence (suitable for F1 testing) which could reasonably be upgraded to Grade 1 without too much trouble/expense (presumably mostly relating to facilities).
These are: Algarve, Estoril, Eurospeedway Lausitz, Jerez, Misano Adriatico, Monteblanco, Nogaro, Vallelunga & Zandvoort.

An upgrade of any other circuit would be reasonable if it's in a country with a government likely to spend significant funds on the upgrading/building of/hosting fees.

Of the latter, I'd like to see Kyalami back and make it a proper world championship - the government did start making noises about it after the sucessful world cup (can't remember if they were talking about using Kyalami, or building a new track in South Africa) - and Bernie was positive (suits the European TV times) but realistically, I can't see the finances satisfying both parties unless the calendar is expanded significantly.

So I'll put Zandvoort in as my final calendar spot. It's a classic F1 circuit, and it's current owners seem to be trying to restore it to it's former glory.




So my practical calendar would be:

Melbourne
Jaypee (India)
Bahrain
Barcelona
Monaco
Zandvoort
Rome Street Circuit
Paul Ricard/Mangy Cours (rotating)
Montreal
Austin
Montreal
Silverstone
Hockenheim/Nurburgring (rotating)
Hungaroring
Spa
Monza
Valencia
Interlagos
Indianapolis
Suzuka


Which is a bit dissapointing really - dream calanders are way better than practical ones...
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All things considered, what would your practical calendar be?

A Pirelli calender.


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I'd love to Kylami back, but nearer its original form not the go kart like track it was in 1992 onwards. But I doubt it will happen, I am pretty sceptical about South Africa getting another F1 race again. The calendar for next year is already quite big!

Zandavoort would be interesting as it is a decent track, but unlikely to happen as there are already so many tracks in Europe.
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Old 13 Sep 2010, 18:22 (Ref:2758865)   #23
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their hosting the World Cup was a success right? i know i heard a lot of negative stuff prior to it starting but not much else after that...no stories means a success right that may create more interest on the governments part to host other international type events.

F1 needs a race in Africa. where else could be a potential African location?
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Old 13 Sep 2010, 19:04 (Ref:2758887)   #24
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I'd love to Kylami back, but nearer its original form not the go kart like track it was in 1992 onwards. But I doubt it will happen, I am pretty sceptical about South Africa getting another F1 race again. The calendar for next year is already quite big!
The old Kyalami has almost entirely been built over, sadly.

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their hosting the World Cup was a success right? i know i heard a lot of negative stuff prior to it starting but not much else after that...no stories means a success right that may create more interest on the governments part to host other international type events.
It was certainly pretty successful, not any unusual horror stories. It's not going to go down in the pantheon of crap sporting events alongside the Atlanta Olympics.

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I'm not sure about saying it's needed, but it could add a bit of geographical symmetry. If you want a race in Africa, it's probably Kyalami with work on it, although Marrakech in Morocco has a WTCC round at the moment, the circuit is somewhat Mickey Mouse but that could be changed.

With regards to TV times, one potential question : what would be better for F1, a race at 1pm (Western Europe time)/2pm (Central Europe Time) or a race at 8pm (Western Europe time)/9pm (Central Europe Time), slap bang in primetime? Obviously both are superior to early morning starts. I'm not seriously calling for night races in Europe, although perhaps the thought of later race starts for the last few in the season could be a thought - done by having Brazil and the US at the end of the year.

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their hosting the World Cup was a success right? i know i heard a lot of negative stuff prior to it starting but not much else after that...no stories means a success right that may create more interest on the governments part to host other international type events.

F1 needs a race in Africa. where else could be a potential African location?
South Africa is the only African country that ever had any interest in F1 but the demographic has changed so much since a GP was last held there, I doubt very much there would be much interest. Also the money to upgrade Kyalami to Bernie's spec would be hideoulsy expensive. Look how much it cost to upgrade Silverstone, in order to retain the GP.
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