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Old 17 Sep 2010, 20:52 (Ref:2761024)   #26
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In fairness, some of Hamilton's run-ins with the FIA have been dubious, to say the least. Okay, the lying thing was stupid, naive and immature, but he's had plenty of penalties during his career that have been met with general incredulity by all right-thinking people. Vettel gets penalised for stupid things like taking other drivers out and napping behind the safety car.
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Old 17 Sep 2010, 21:03 (Ref:2761028)   #27
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Would be good if Hamilton's fans "matured" as much.

I'm not a fan of Hamilton at all, I don't see any appeal of him. His incident at Monza screamed school boy error alright, not that of a champion.

And he gets applauded?

Okay.
Erm. Missed the point much?

No one is applauding the mistake. I think most of us were hiding behind a cushion for about 10 seconds before it happened. I think the point was he's been driving brilliant all year, much more mature than in previous years. And that this makes it interesting to see how he handles coming back from a silly mistake in Monza. All the drivers make them, its how you come back that counts.

As for 'Would be good if Hamilton's fans "matured" as much' - why the bitterness? It was a genuine post, nothing else. You could have disagreed with the post without calling someone immature simply for holding an opinion different to your own.
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Old 17 Sep 2010, 21:08 (Ref:2761031)   #28
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I must say the mistake was a rookie error. You could see it coming an absolute mile off.
I do agree. But all the drivers have made silly mistakes this year. Probably in fairness Button the only top driver I can't think of one for.

Vettel - Turkey/Spa
Alonsa - Spa
Webber - Australia (several times)/arguably Valencia
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Old 17 Sep 2010, 21:59 (Ref:2761045)   #29
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I think some of Hamilton's run ins with the FIA have had a lot more to do with the McLaren team's inate lack of integrity than Hamilton personally.
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Old 18 Sep 2010, 01:54 (Ref:2761090)   #30
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I do agree. But all the drivers have made silly mistakes this year. Probably in fairness Button the only top driver I can't think of one for.

Vettel - Turkey/Spa
Alonsa - Spa
Webber - Australia (several times)/arguably Valencia
Hamilton - Monza
Sadly one has to take more into account than just the drivers here. Button may well have been the only stupidity free driver to date, but he has had the McLaren team to make the silly mistakes for him, mistakes that have severely dented his WDC tally.

McLaren (Buttons side of the garage) at Monaco springs to mind as the dumbest thing any team has done for years, when they forgot to remove the sidepod blanking plug with the engine cooking itself on the warm up lap as a result...... as stupid as any driver error we have seen since Hamilton hit Raikkonen in the pitlane red light queue at Montreal in 2008(?).

Both Hamilton's error at Monza and McLaren's stupidity at Monaco resulted in both races over on lap 1. It also in effect gave Button 7 engines for the year instead of 8.

Edit: On checking, it has not affected Jensons 8 engine tally as he was due for a new engine the following race, the Monaco unit being on its final (3rd) race.
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Old 18 Sep 2010, 15:54 (Ref:2761267)   #31
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As a woman, it made my skin crawl. Truly, it did.
Was this not simply the proud father of an F1 WDC just hugging the proud girlfriend/future wife of his son...

What happened to the simple things in life, and our ability not to take much of what we see and hear out of context?
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Old 18 Sep 2010, 21:18 (Ref:2761358)   #32
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Was this not simply the proud father of an F1 WDC just hugging the proud girlfriend/future wife of his son...

What happened to the simple things in life, and our ability not to take much of what we see and hear out of context?
I'm absolutely sure it was precisely as simple as that, it's just that I have a cynical and twisted mind...
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Was this not simply the proud father of an F1 WDC just hugging the proud girlfriend/future wife of his son...

What happened to the simple things in life, and our ability not to take much of what we see and hear out of context?

It looked harmless to me, when you can't put your arm around a good friend/ family member society has a problem!
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I think it's the 'half-unbuttoned pink shirt' look that I find disturbing.

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Was this not simply the proud father of an F1 WDC just hugging the proud girlfriend/future wife of his son...
I did say "as a woman". You're unlikely to find Jenson Button's dad as creepy as I do.
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Old 19 Sep 2010, 20:39 (Ref:2761651)   #35
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I think it's the 'half-unbuttoned pink shirt' look that I find disturbing.



I did say "as a woman". You're unlikely to find Jenson Button's dad as creepy as I do.
Put like that and given that he looked like a pimp, I am forced to concede your point completely!
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McLaren (Buttons side of the garage) at Monaco springs to mind as the dumbest thing any team has done for years, when they forgot to remove the sidepod blanking plug with the engine cooking itself on the warm up lap as a result...... as stupid as any driver error we have seen since Hamilton hit Raikkonen in the pitlane red light queue at Montreal in 2008(?).
Nope, I think you will find the dumbest thing was Ferrari's hopelessly inept implementation of team orders only a couple of races back. That was incompetence of the highest order, whereas Buttons sidepod thing was an regrettable accident.

Probably a few other dumb and dumber things as well. Can't be arsed to think back.
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I think some of Hamilton's run ins with the FIA have had a lot more to do with the McLaren team's inate lack of integrity than Hamilton personally.
Would you hold up Ferrari as a better example of integrity?
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Yes.

With the odd lapse...
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Oh come on, what did you expect me to say?
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Or grimace.
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I think some of Hamilton's run ins with the FIA have had a lot more to do with the McLaren team's inate lack of integrity than Hamilton personally.
Or possibly the "Get McLaren" policy at the FIA.
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Odd how Renault were never punished for the same thing McLaren did that year.
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Odd how Renault were never punished for the same thing McLaren did that year.
I rest my case.

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Well today Hamilton did himself no favours!!!! Maturing - oh dear!!! I am having second thoughts on that one!!
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