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5 Feb 2017, 13:26 (Ref:3710116) | #1 | ||
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The World's most important touring car race
Here's something I was thinking about while waking up from my post-Bathurst nap:
In GT-racing, there are some unquestionable marque events like the 12h of Bathurst and the 24h races at Spa and the Nürburgring, not to mention Le Mans (though the GTs are rather overshadowed by the LMPs there). These big races far outshine the regular season rounds of any of the national and international GT-series. In touring cars on the other hand, it all seems very 'flat'. There's very few standout races that are for some reason or another more important or prestigious than the rest of the regular season rounds. If I had to name two standouts it would probably be the Bathurst 1000 and the Guia Race at Macao, though the latter has been very much demoted to the status of a regular - if more chaotic - WTCC or TCR round in recent years. Back before the 2000s I guess Spa was a pretty big deal when it was still a touring car race, but by now that's of course ancient history. So - can you guys think of any other candidates for the title of the "World's most Important TC race"? And absent any worthy candidates: How and where could one create a touring car only event that would rival the international importance of the big GT-battles? |
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I suppose Bathurst & Macau are the only big events now, like you mentioned. The rest either no longer exist, or are run for a different type of racing. The Fuji InterTEC and the Tourist Trophy being examples of each.
I know we have the Touring Car Endurance Series in Europe now, but I'd also like to see some professional long distance races outside of Australia. |
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Not too many years ago, Trans Am held a decent bit of importance. Perhaps that's national bias coming out and we're taking races, not series.
A track like Road Atlanta or similar might end up being too quick for prototypes in the near future and I could see a certain track, like the Ring catering to GT /TC only events in the next 10 years... |
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But Macau is probably the one coming closest to this. |
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Bathurst and Macau, none others really stand out
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Bathurst 1000!
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Unfortunately none.
For me personally Bathurst 1000 but to be the crown of touring car racing Bathurst lacks international entries. It would be different if the best drivers of WTCC, DTM, BTCC, STC2000 would be co-drivers in the Bathurst 1000 race. Status of Macau has gone downwards in recent years. Way to much driving under yellow and small grids of WTCC aren't helping either. It's a shame BTCC and DTM don't have a special race. I hope in near future TCR will get a special event with +30 cars. |
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Agreed. TCR is probably our best shot at that. Will be interesting to see what format they'll pick for the end of season thing at Adria, but the choice of track alone suggests that it isn't likely to turn into a future classic.
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A question for the South Americans on here:
In how far are the Buenos Aires 200k race and Race of the Million stand-out events in TC2000 and in Brazilian Stockcar? Do people pay more attention to those races than to regular season rounds? Is there any kind of mainstream interest for those that goes beyond what you see for other races? |
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Bring back the Donington 500! (I know it wasn't a BTCC race)
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As the peso lost value, it got harder to bring show cars and guest drivers from abroad.
Also, as several championships switched away from Canal 13 / Carburando, media coverage got split. Carburando stopped promoting next weekend's TC races, and Canal 7 did not promote next weekend's STC 2000 race. |
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...that and 200km is a laughably short distance to make into a marquee event.
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Used to be Spa 24, Bathurst, Nurby 24 or the ETC race, Silverstone TT and Monza 500 and possibly Macau or Fuji but the last 2 mentioned were more like show races rather than big time in the manufacturers eyes.
It's very very ordinary nowadays. |
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Yes if only we could bring back the Spa 24 hours for the traditional tin tops, even in it's not too bad with the GTs now and also have Fuji and the Silverstone TT. That said having the WTCC at the Nurburgring surely must be up there
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or the RAC Tourist Trophy for TCR cars.
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just saying. could be a support race or something similar.
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The BTCC should copy the Buenos Aires 200km, and bring some British sports car drivers as guests.
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