[WTCC] 2017 WTCC News & Rumours

[Mark0994]

WTCC and TCR series set to merge in 2018
https://www.touringcartimes.com/2017...et-merge-2018/

[BobJones]

No more World Championship status and top-level touring cars are now slow.

[Mark0994]

Originally Posted by BobJones

No more World Championship status and top-level touring cars are now slow.

In my opinion perfect touring car is something like old ST cars (old, before spoiler introduction). No too fast, but challenging for drivers). Why does newer cars need to be faster then last gen? Faster cars needs more aerodynamics, which brings more money spending, which makes privateers spending more money, and eventually loosing them, and why would manufacturers come? Look like every manufacturer now wants team in some electric championship...

[BobJones]

Originally Posted by Mark0994

In my opinion perfect touring car is something like old ST cars (old, before spoiler introduction). No too fast, but challenging for drivers). Why does newer cars need to be faster then last gen? Faster cars needs more aerodynamics, which brings more money spending, which makes privateers spending more money, and eventually loosing them, and why would manufacturers come? Look like every manufacturer now wants team in some electric championship...

Not saying they have to be faster, I'm not a big fan of S2000 TC1 either, but the difference is quite stark – akin to Group B down to Group A in the 1980s WRC.

[S griffin]

I thinks it’s the only thing they can do, the TC1 has not been the step up the championship needed

[Sodemo]

Is there no option to formulate a TCR+? I saw a testing video of an TCR Astra which was running at 400bhp boost. Is there no way they could offer a slightly wider tyre, and bigger front splitter as an "upgrade" over a standard TCR car?

[Cinghio44]

Originally Posted by BobJones

Not saying they have to be faster, I'm not a big fan of S2000 TC1 either, but the difference is quite stark – akin to Group B down to Group A in the 1980s WRC.

People missed the group A era during the Loeb domination and the only Citroen-Ford fight for the championship

TCR is what a touring car championship should be today, the only thing i don't like is the paddle shift gearbox...

[Bramzel]

Originally Posted by Cinghio44

TCR is what a touring car championship should be today, the only thing i don't like is the paddle shift gearbox...

Why? You want old-school stuff like clutch and H-pattern gearbox? Would you like drum-brakes as well? Perhaps a horse in front of the car rather than an engine?

PS: I created a new thread for this discussion, perhaps an idea to move this there? http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152018

[Cinghio44]

Originally Posted by Bramzel

Why? You want old-school stuff like clutch and H-pattern gearbox? Would you like drum-brakes as well? Perhaps a horse in front of the car rather than an engine?

PS: I created a new thread for this discussion, perhaps an idea to move this there? http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152018

A sequential gearbox would be perfect, like the one used in BTCC and WTCC. I'm not talking about something of 30 years ago.

But heey, wasn't Hamilton saying he was dreaming a v12 engine and manual gearbox for the future F1?!

[Bramzel]

I know, I was kidding I understand why people like it, but it's only sentimental. A sequential stick rather than a sequential paddle isn't cheaper, doesn't improve the show and doesn't ask for additional driver skills.

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I thinks it’s the only thing they can do, the TC1 has not been the step up the championship needed

It was a step up... in costs, which is exactly what the championship didn't need.

[loon]

History shows time and time again that you can't run international series that have super expensive cars in either touring or sportscars

[Metzo]

Originally Posted by Mark0994

In my opinion perfect touring car is something like old ST cars

fully agree

[FIRE]

Bennani wins race 1 in Macau.
It took 7 laps until the red flag.

[thlbtcc]

Well done to Bjork for being better than his team mates all weekend.

[S griffin]

I can't remember Macau ever being wet before, when was the last time that happened?

[GM10]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I can't remember Macau ever being wet before, when was the last time that happened?

Last year during TCR qualifying.

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by Mark0994

In my opinion perfect touring car is something like old ST cars (old, before spoiler introduction). No too fast, but challenging for drivers). Why does newer cars need to be faster then last gen? Faster cars needs more aerodynamics, which brings more money spending, which makes privateers spending more money, and eventually loosing them, and why would manufacturers come? Look like every manufacturer now wants team in some electric championship...

or Group A without Turbos ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7ocgddHwFQ


heck the sound alone is pure awesomeness and race cars which still had the road car interior


and anyone who claims that better brakes and higher corner speeds generate better racing must be completely insane , I never saw a single championship when this performance got better the racing actually improved


see DTM racing from 88-89 and footage of 95-96 , it's no comparison at all , those Group A generated so much better racing than the insane silouttes which followed them

[Mark0994]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

or Group A without Turbos ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7ocgddHwFQ


heck the sound alone is pure awesomeness and race cars which still had the road car interior


and anyone who claims that better brakes and higher corner speeds generate better racing must be completely insane , I never saw a single championship when this performance got better the racing actually improved


see DTM racing from 88-89 and footage of 95-96 , it's no comparison at all , those Group A generated so much better racing than the insane silouttes which followed them

Yeah. Group A is my favourite touring class. You could run R4 sedan vs R6 coupe vs V12 coupe and be competitive

[porsche962fan]

and seriously is it so hard to figure the magic formula for touring cars out ?? simple study of history shows that for great racing and sustainable costs you need

- high base weight , 1200 KG at very least (so no crazy development in weight reduction )
- base road car should be at least 7.500 examples build (no homologation specials)
- narrow tires
- no aero gimmicks ,
- higher ground clearence (so a high CG for slower cornering)
- steel brakes
- ban all exotic materials like carbon fibre
- no driving aids
- mandatory H shifter
- power levels at about 300 - 350 BHP or implenent weight adjustments for higher/lower levels


and with narrow tires dissapears the need for those stupid arch extensions , so drivers can do some "rubbing" with much lower risk of puctures

[Mekola]

Guerrieri did well at Macau...

[Tarzaan]

Originally Posted by Mekola

Guerrieri did well at Macau...

Yes, he did.

Has to be hard for norbi in Katar, because Volvo was fast there last year, but in this year in the main races Björk was faster than Norbi year only in Monza. So if Norbi didn' crash or DNF he has real chane to make it.

[SRBRNG]

I personally want to see Volvo and Honda bring 4 cars each to Doha.

Muller in the 4th S60 and, Tarquini in the 4th Civic.

Both manufacturers need to take points off their rivals, after all

[BobJones]

Originally Posted by SRBRNG

I personally want to see Volvo and Honda bring 4 cars each to Doha.

Muller in the 4th S60 and, Tarquini in the 4th Civic.

Both manufacturers need to take points off their rivals, after all

One final fling for the S2000 cars, I like it!

[PawUloN]

Well Monteiro is not coming back for Qatar, there's no point for him to nor for the team, and I want to see Tarquini in the third Honda - I want him to score some points despite not running a full season, as his results were DQ'ed.